Tell me who JTR was

[GUT]

G'day Abby

Yup. Druitts in the top 10. Along with Barnett and Fleming.

Care to flesh out the 10. BTW I agree that there are worse suspects than that three, my only question mark over the Joes is that I can not imagine the police doing a pretty thorough investigation into them, as regardless their knowledge of Serial Killers they certainly knew about domestic murders and her two most recent partners must have been examined pretty closely.

[Sam Flynn]

Hello Gareth. Pluralise (nobodies) and I might love you forever.

"suche Nullen"... it's in my signature, Lynn

[moonbegger]

Evidence?I read uncle jack when it first came out I didn't spot any evidence

Hello Pinkmoon ..

yes I guess evidence is too strong a word but I do rather like his letter stating he was attending a clinic in Whitechapel on the 8th sept , the day of the Chapman murder . along with a certain Mary Nichols showing up in one of his patient registers along with his experimental work pertaining to diseases of the uterus , his religious background ( Leviticus 7 ) and the horrific similarity's to Kellys murder scene . His probable workhouse bolt hole, under 5 mins from every crime scene , actually seconds from Bucks row ! Not to mention the Knife he kept amongst his prized possessions , which sits perfectly well with every suggestion of knife used by the killer . So yes pinkmoon , this is all far from evidence , But is a lot more than we have against most other top 5 candidates .

One other thing , all of the victims visited the workhouse surgery in the week leading up to their deaths ..

moonbegger .

[Wickerman]

Hello Christer. Thanks.

"Or she met him in the street--in which case it's a whole different ballgame."

Any idea about when she went out? We have nothing solid after BFM. Of course, if she were alive and talking to a bloke in the morning . . .

Cheers.
LC

Given the existence of Blotchy (per Cox) could not be independently established, not seen with Kelly, not seen in any pub or beerhouse, not seen in the streets.
How do we classify Blotchy as 'solid'?

[lynn cates]

How many Romans?

Hello Gareth. Pluralise (nobodies) and I might love you forever.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

knife

Hello Christer. Thanks.

Perhaps you're right. He may have been stark naked, using the knife as a fig leaf.

Cheers.
LC

[Abby Normal]

Hi Abby,you don't mention Druitt don't forget sir Melville chose him over kosminski.

Yup. Druitts in the top 10. Along with Barnett and Fleming.

[GUT]

G'day Harry

Wasn't he busy playing cricket during two of the murders? Please provide your reasoning for why Druitt is the outstanding candidate.

While think it was someone we don't know about you can't rule out Druitt based on his current known Cricket.

One match was in Dorset over 30 hours later and one was in Blackheath, about a 30 min or less trip 6 or so hours after the event, another claim is that as he played in Dorset on consecutive weekends he must have stayed there which overlooks his work obligations, so don't be fooled by the claims that his known cricket matches rule hm out.

[pinkmoon]

As a Betting man I wouldn't mind throwing a pound or two each way on an outside bet (John Williams) of "Uncle jack" fame . There are some very interesting alignments and timings , even with the small controversy taken on board . We have Motive , Method , opportunity , Local Knowledge , Workhouse familiarity & connection to victims, even some evidence Too !
Make that a fiver each way

Moonbegger .

Evidence?I read uncle jack when it first came out I didn't spot any evidence

[Sam Flynn]

Anyone want to throw another hat into the ring?

Just another vote for Mr Nobody. We know the names of perhaps 200 "suspects" whose names have been advanced over the years, of whom fewer than 10%, I'd suggest, are reasonable. Of these, we're usually only aware of them because they were contemporary/near-contemporary suspects, or their names just happened to be mentioned in the press at the time as having some connection with the case. But what of those potential suspects who don't fit into those categories, and whose names we don't yet know? Twenty or so reasonable "known known" suspects are tiny compared with the adult (or adolescent) male population of Whitechapel, which was in the order of the tens of thousands, any one of whom could have been the actual killer.

To help visualise the scale we're up against, I created a document with 40,000 dots - each dot representing someone who might qualify as the Ripper, if we only knew more about them. The document runs to 11 pages, of which this image is the first:



The red circle on Page 1, bottom right, represents the "known known" reasonable suspects. The last page contains about 150 dots, which is about the number of suspects who have since been "exonerated" (or dismissed out of hand!), so we can ignore Page 11. Thus all the black dots, from Pages 1-10 inclusive, could be potential Rippers, and one of those dots quite possibly is him. Now, we would be incredibly fortunate if "his" dot was one of the ones in that little red circle, i.e. that he was one of the decent candidates whose name we already know. On the contrary, the odds seem very heavily weighted against that being the case... but he's out there somewhere, so keep scouring the census

[pinkmoon]

Hi Harry
If ihad to make a guess it was blotchy. Ordinary joe, local, last credible suspect seen with Mary, is in her room with her where she as found murdered shortly thereafter. He fits the description of Lawendes man and Ada Wilson, and never comes forward to police.

After him, I go with hutch as suspect 1a. Corroborated stalking behavior, only comes forward after the inquest, too detailed a description of a seemingly fictional suspect.

These two along with Kelly, chapman, bury and koz I think are the best, with the rest of the suspects falling off considerably after these.

I think with these 6 suspects I would venture we would have a slightly better than 50/50 chance we have our killer.

That being said, I keep an open mind and must admit that even my top six are the least weak of a weak lot.

Hi Abby,you don't mention Druitt don't forget sir Melville chose him over kosminski.

[Abby Normal]

My rather flip thread title aside, obviously the Whitechapel Murders will go down as one of the greatest unsolved crimes in history. However... based on the mountains of circumstantial evidence, witness testimony, police reports and criminal psychology, is there ONE suspect you believe stands out above the rest, even if the distinction is by the width of a gnat's wing? Whatever pet theories you hold, I'm here to be convinced.

Hi Harry
If ihad to make a guess it was blotchy. Ordinary joe, local, last credible suspect seen with Mary, is in her room with her where she as found murdered shortly thereafter. He fits the description of Lawendes man and Ada Wilson, and never comes forward to police.

After him, I go with hutch as suspect 1a. Corroborated stalking behavior, only comes forward after the inquest, too detailed a description of a seemingly fictional suspect.

These two along with Kelly, chapman, bury and koz I think are the best, with the rest of the suspects falling off considerably after these.

I think with these 6 suspects I would venture we would have a slightly better than 50/50 chance we have our killer.

That being said, I keep an open mind and must admit that even my top six are the least weak of a weak lot.

[moonbegger]

As a Betting man I wouldn't mind throwing a pound or two each way on an outside bet (John Williams) of "Uncle jack" fame . There are some very interesting alignments and timings , even with the small controversy taken on board . We have Motive , Method , opportunity , Local Knowledge , Workhouse familiarity & connection to victims, even some evidence Too !
Make that a fiver each way

Moonbegger .

[Fisherman]

lynn cates:

Hello Christer.

... you have toned down MO to an approximate one. Well done.

That was not me - it was the killer himself. And every other serial killer. None of them will exactly repeat any murder.

"How many times in history do you think a punter has said "Undress for me!" by the way?"

Whilst he remained fully clothed?

Yes, exactly. Not that we have any proof at all that the killer WAS fully clothed, but as a theoretical construction, yes - how odd would it be for a man to want to see a woman undress before him, while keeping his own clothes on?

By the way, you did not add one where "MJK" HANDED him the knife. Slipping?

More like sleeping. Yawn.

The best,
Fisherman

[lynn cates]

Whom done it?

Hello DLDW. Your tag line, well . . . the devil made me do it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Tgjkq-xmO8

Cheers.
LC