John McCarthy

[MrBarnett]

Charlie and Harry Muddle - Esq - were local publicans and criminals.

[MrBarnett]

...Or Esq. for that matter.

Esq was just a courtesy title that any businessman might be given.

W. Cressingham (Crossingham) Esq
John Cooney Esq
John McCarthy Esq

Who do you imagine these people were - members of the aristocracy?

[MrBarnett]

Very cryptic.

The event was a presentation by local tradesmen. Unless you have evidence that Sgt McCarthy and his son attended the event, the two McCarthys were most likely prominent local businessmen who were in the habit of contributing to such subscriptions.

[Scott Nelson]

...Or Esq. for that matter.

[Scott Nelson]

The event was a presentation to Abberline by the tradesmen of the East End. The two McCarthys present - father and son - were almost certainly John McCarthy of Dorset Street and his son, ‘Steve’.

No they weren't. John McCarthy was a Metropolitan Police Sergeant. Please consult Evans and Skinner's JtR Companion.

I already covered Abberline's Retirement at the Three Nuns Hotel in Ripperologist no. 44 (December 2002). I doubt the Landlord of Dorset Street was an attorney.

[DJA]

John McCarthy was a Police Sergeant. It definitely wasn't Kelly's Landlord or the Landlord's son.

There was a Constable John McCarthy.

Doubt he was the same person.

[MrBarnett]

If you look at this 1886 list of those who made donations towards the construction of the People’s Palace you’ll recognise some names from the list of attendees at Abberline’s Three Nun’s Event. Plus a couple who weren’t there, William Crossingham and John Cooney. This particular group of donations were co-ordinated by J. C. MacDonald, who was one of those present at the Three Nuns Event.


Presumably T. Arnold was Supt. Thomas Arnold

[MrBarnett]

John McCarthy was a Police Sergeant. It definitely wasn't Kelly's Landlord or the Landlord's son.

The event was a presentation to Abberline by the tradesmen of the East End. The two McCarthys present - father and son - were almost certainly John McCarthy of Dorset Street and his son, ‘Steve’.

[Scott Nelson]

John McCarthy was a Police Sergeant. It definitely wasn't Kelly's Landlord or the Landlord's son.

[erobitha]

Different McCarthy - a Metropolitan police officer.

In the book "The Complete Jack The Ripper A-Z - The Ultimate Guide to The Ripper Mystery" by our very own Paul Begg and the sadly missed Martin Fido; it states "McCarthy and his son may well have been the "J. McCarthy and McCarthy, jun who attended Inspector Abberline's retirement dinner at The Three Nuns in June 1892".

Did this police offer have the first initial J and was his son prsent?

[Scott Nelson]

McCarthy was well known in the area. I'm pretty sure he had his thumbs in quite a few pies. In fact I beleive it may of been him who laid on Abberline's farewell drinks when he retired? At the very least he was present.

Different McCarthy - a Metropolitan police officer.

[Al Bundy's Eyes]

Hi TRD,

As you say, it might come to nothing, but piecing together the threads helps create a fuller picture. Suspect theory aside, it's always a good thing to shed a bit light on the subject and build up the lives of the people living at the time.

Like Gary said, this is very much his thing, so between you who knows what might be revealed. Probably won't solve the case, or even get closer to a solution, but we've all thought about the long departed Ellen McCarthy, a larger than life East End character, biting her neighbours nose off. Now that's history!

Keep at it.

[The Rookie Detective]

A connection to the 19 year old Ellen McCarthy treated for syphilis would be interesting, as part of an overall picture of the casual and necessary role of prostitution at the time.

yes, especially if this particular is the 16 year old living at 20 James St in 1881.

My entire theory began from wondering who the family were lodging at the same dwelling as Charles Lechmere and whether the McCarthy surname had any connection to John McCarthy.

at worst, I have it completely wrong on all fronts and I need to start again and dismiss Lechmere.

at best, I’ve established that a former prostitute lodged at the same address as one of the top 10 suspects and that her daughter got treated for an STD (this latter finding is NOT from me, but from the amazing work of Fisherman)
I would have also found that the McCarthy family lodging at the Lechmere dwelling were related to John McCarthy, MJK’s landlord.

this would connect Lechmere to a prostitute and John McCarthy


and therefore link Lechmere to both Nichols and MJK


i have never favoured Lechmere but if my theory on his lodger Ellen McCarthy is correct and she was a former prostitute, then I believe Lechmere is more likely to be the ripper.

the case continues


TRD

[Al Bundy's Eyes]

I’ve no idea whether TRD has found anything of significance here, but if he/she has, it’ll most likely get lost in a flood of off-topic posts about the same old same old.

It's a shame that all the characters have such generic names. Add in misspellings, entry errors and use of other names, and it's no wonder they all get mixed up and lost in the annals of time. Proof of connections between individuals could be seen as purely coincidental, but when looking at the mass of transient people in Whitechapel at the time, it's probably less coincidental than not. A connection to the 19 year old Ellen McCarthy treated for syphilis would be interesting, as part of an overall picture of the casual and necessary role of prostitution at the time.

[NotBlamedForNothing]

I’ve no idea whether TRD has found anything of significance here, but if he/she has, it’ll most likely get lost in a flood of off-topic posts about the same old same old.

Mr Barnett killed Miss Kelly