Have Ripperologists Been Polled As To Who They Think Jack Really Was?

[Monty]

You can forget the torso murders they were never murders.

Obvious suicides.

Monty

[Malcolm X]

Is this post intended as a joke, or are you serious? Is this irony? Is this actually indicative of your ability to analyze evidence, or are you having a joke? It is hard to tell.

oh no he's very serious, he's just posted in too quickly and thus messed up what he was trying to say.

i'll have to watch out for this too

[robhouse]

How do you explain the differences in wounds between Nichols and Chapman?

In my opinion, the main difference in the case of Nichols is that she was murdered in a much more exposed location than the three victims who were more extensively mutilated. In the cases of Chapman, Eddowes and Kelly, the murders occurred in a more secluded location where the killer would feel more secure and less likely to be interrupted while mutilating the victims. In the case of Nichols, the murder was committed on the side of a public street that even at that hour had people walking down it going to work etc. So the killer must have felt much less secure, and probably ran off out of fear of discovery.

[Malcolm X]

[QUOTE=Rubyretro;201007]

where is the final conflict and what the hell has it to do with a woman called Mary[/QUOTE

Doubtless, there are some men out there that can answer this.

mary magdelane, mary matfelon, mary jane kelly, heart removed, final human sacrafice, the Nights Templar, robert the bruce, anti semetism.

it's all right there, but if this is what it's all about i dont know, but it does explain JTRs mutilations all stopping with this final hideous murder, heart removed, and a fire burning in her fire place etc.

[Trevor Marriott]

no, what happened to MJKs heart then, i dont know how you can say this, because her heart was definitely taken away by the killer

uum how did the torsos become torsos if this wasn't murder, did the bodies just fly apart on their own....flipping heck this is just crazy, but i think that this is you just posting in too quickly !

Tabram? OK you can have that one and Stride was killed because JTR was unable to lure her away from Dutfields

you intreague me, sometimes your posts are great and at other times they're even worst than mine, but this one here is totally off the scale.

I do not intend to keep posting the same replies or providing the same information please read previous threads on this topic which i have posted then you wil have all the right answers.

[robhouse]

If you say there was not more than one person mutilating then the facts point to at least two killers as Stride had no mutilations. !

Kelly had no organs removed and taken away so those facts also point to another killer thats three.

If Sadler killed Coles thats four and if the soldier killed Tabram thats five.

You can forget the torso murders they were never murders.

Is this post intended as a joke, or are you serious? Is this irony? Is this actually indicative of your ability to analyze evidence, or are you having a joke? It is hard to tell.

[Malcolm X]

If you say there was not more than one person mutilating then the facts point to at least two killers as Stride had no mutilations. !

Kelly had no organs removed and taken away so those facts also point to another killer thats three.

If Sadler killed Coles thats four and if the soldier killed Tabram thats five.

You can forget the torso murders they were never murders.

no, what happened to MJKs heart then, i dont know how you can say this, because her heart was definitely taken away by the killer

uum how did the torsos become torsos if this wasn't murder, did the bodies just fly apart on their own....flipping heck this is just crazy, but i think that this is you just posting in too quickly !

Tabram? OK you can have that one and Stride was killed because JTR was unable to lure her away from Dutfields

you intreague me, sometimes your posts are great and at other times they're even worst than mine, but this one here is totally off the scale.

[Rubyretro]

[QUOTE]where is the final conflict and what the hell has it to do with a woman called Mary[/QUOTE

Doubtless, there are some men out there that can answer this.

[Tom_Wescott]

While you're quite right that we should not really be challenging qualified opinions from those who were there without serious evidence to back it up, I think we need to be a little careful with Dr. Phillips at the same time. Well respected though he most certainly was (and perhaps still is in the eyes of some), his remarks throughout the case on the murders were evidently not flawless, especially in regards to Chapman's time of death and Eddowes' candidacy as a JTR victim - it isn't, and shouldn't be seen as, gospel on the case.

Apples and oranges, Adam. Estimated times of death are very fluid for any doctor, and has no bearing on the very experienced Dr. Phillips in regards to his ability to tell if a knife killer knew what he was doing or not, as in the case of the Stride murder.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Malcolm X]

These crimes are nasty, no doubt.

Bundy's nastiness prompted him to inflict pain.
JtR's nastiness prompted him to overkill his victims, destroy their bodies, disfigure them.

yes but this was post mortem, he actually killed them fairly quickly.

no what JTR did is something different, its not really nastiness, it's more mental sickness, imbecilic, occult, deeply disturbing etc, he dissected MJK slowly, plus he toyed with his knife, he did not go crazy like Sutcliffe.

he did not beat her with a hammer and cut off her limbs with an axe etc, or smash her to a bloody pulp with a baseball bat, JTR is a million times different from this.

i'm sorry that i cant explain this any better, because it's something that you sense that cant be put into words, it's like a twisted cold Aztec/occult sacrafice, with an element of HYPNOTIC TRANCE thrown in, especially as he's looking at their faces.... this does something very odd to him.... he plays with their faces !!!!

what bothers me is, this isn't present in the other murders only the last 2, maybe his evil is simply growing, or his belief in something demands this... no idea.

[Trevor Marriott]

you're getting far too involved in the nitty gritty, this is causing you to see things that aren't there and if there, are due to varying circumstances, such as time available, the killers mood, inexperience, different medical opinions at that time etc

try to look much wider, because it's highly unlikely that this is more than one person that's mutilating..... and the most likely is that the last 3 are definitely the same killer

If you say there was not more than one person mutilating then the facts point to at least two killers as Stride had no mutilations. !

Kelly had no organs removed and taken away so those facts also point to another killer thats three.

If Sadler killed Coles thats four and if the soldier killed Tabram thats five.

You can forget the torso murders they were never murders.

[lynn cates]

Once more into the breach dear friends.

Hello (again) Malcolm.

"you're getting far too involved in the nitty gritty"

Well, I agree that the minutiae is most intriguing just now.

"this is causing you to see things that aren't there"

Like what, particularly?

"and if there, are due to varying circumstances, such as time available, the killer's mood, inexperience, different medical opinions at that time etc"

I'm all ears. Unpack it all--but without contradiction and an ad hoc quality.

"try to look much wider'

I used to look so wide that I help both P and Not P--not an encouraging sign.

"because it's highly unlikely that this is more than one person that's mutilating..... and the most likely is that the last 3 are definitely the same killer"

Whence the modal quantification here? "Likely" and its cognates I always view with skepticism.

Cheers.
LC

[DVV]

These crimes are nasty, no doubt.

Bundy's nastiness prompted him to inflict pain.
JtR's nastiness prompted him to overkill his victims, destroy their bodies, disfigure them.

[lynn cates]

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Hello Malcolm.

"1..... it's highly unlikely that you'd see two mutilators suddenly killing in this small area of London and at the same time'

And yet there was a mutilator in Durham at the same time. Why are chronology and geography so important? Leibniz and Newton both worked independently on the calculus at roughly the same time.

"2..... why copycat to shift the blame to JTR instead of you?...... the police are bloody useless, they'll never catch you, so there's no point bothering hiding your crime.... nobody else did, it looks like a free for all mini crime wave, two for the price of one !"

But why take chances? I am not talking about an average mind here. I rule out a good many chaps based simply on strength of neuronal synapsing power.

"3.....it's far more likely that JTR might encourage someone else to simply go out and cut throats only, rather than to mutilate"

Why? Why encourage such?

"4.... It takes a real sicko to gut and mutilate someone, it's totally revolting, it would sicken most killers, this type is pretty rare and definitely not two at once in Whitechapel.... no way!"

Well, a true amoralist is required. And why so definite?

Cheers.
LC

[Malcolm X]

[QUOTE=Rubyretro;200985]

JTR was not motivated by nastiness[/QUOTE

Obviously, I was wrong. I'm sorry.

oh no no dont be sorry, sometimes my posts can seem very cold, i'm searaching for clues all the time and something that's different.

5 murders.... 5 points on a Pentagon! every murder is a blood sacrafice and the last victim has her heart removed, her name is MJK, it can also be MARY MATFELON and this church is right here in Whitechapel !!!!!!!........it is Whitechapel !!!!

5 murders yes, because there's no more that's needed, Ivor Edwardes was close but he missed something, now look closely at Eddowes face, i will not tell you what's there, but it's right here on GOOGLE, look for occult symbols, look at Egypt, look at Egyptian Godesses, look at Mummys, look at the symbols on the walls in pyramids......now look at Armageddon, the Harlot, the beast......the final conflict, the Jews in the East.

where is the final conflict and what the hell has it to do with a woman called Mary, who will give birth to another son !!!!

what has this to do with ROBERT THE BRUCE who had his heart removed, i'm not sure about all of this but it's quite tantalising, because as said i'm highly suspicious of the murders stopping after a HEART was removed from someone called Mary, and the killer might have connections to the Army/ horses/groom.