Robert Louis Stevenson

[Lechmere]

Robert
The HMS Rattler on which orang-utan Jack served would seem to be the famous Rattler, the first screw propelled, steam powered warship, that towed the paddle steamer HMS Alecto backwards during an experimental nautical ‘tug-of-war’ in 1845.
HMS Rattler served in far eastern waters in around 1855 and was broken up in 1856.
An orang-utan can live to the age of 60 when brought up in human society and reaches sexual maturity between 15 and 20. So, say Jack was born in 1830, I conclude he could still have been active in 1888. We can perhaps check the census return for 1881?
There have been recorded instances of sexual assault by semi domesticated orang-utans on human females.
There are theories that Jack was a sailor who came ashore from the Thames docks.
Do we need any more evidence?

[Robert]

Hi Lechmere

Certainly we see a number of coincidences here which, when considered separately, are suggestive enough, but when taken together are almost irresistible. There is one final piece of evidence missing from the jigsaw : I'm sure I remember some years ago reading an 1888 newspaper article to the effect that just after one of the murders, a householder heard the sound of singing receding into the distance. As far as the householder could make out, the words were

Oo-bi-doo, I want to be like you

If anyone can locate this article for me, I will be most obliged.

[Lechmere]

In the Indonesian dialect, Orang-utans where and still are called ‘mawas’.
Those supposed late night cries of ‘murder’... anybody?

[Sally]

Did Orang-utan-Man Exist?

Was that really an Astrakhan-trimmed coat, after all? And remember - a banana may well be mistaken for a gold watch in dim lighting...

[Lechmere]

Can anyone tell me if this is a wide-awake hat?

[GregBaron]

He's no slouch...

I think that's an American slouch hat Lechmere............and notice the dark complexion.................keep in mind that Jack the Orangutan may have read the tales of Edgar Allan Poe and hence the idea. I really think we're onto something here.............remember also the Dr. Bond said the ripper was a 'physically strong' man.........


Greg

[jsantos]

Thank you for the comments. It only comes to prove that this suspect, RLS, bothers many people.

[TomTomKent]

I`m sorry but you are wrong.
The RLS book "The Ebb-Tide" relates the feelings of RLS while Jack the Ripper. What it felt during and after the crimes. The escape for samoa, what it comes to prove that the date that we know is a farce.
And many more things.

That is hardly "proof". It is in the same vain as saying Sickert protryed the "feelings" of Jack in his paintings. How do we know those "feelings" are more or less accurate than Bram Stoker portrayed in Dracular (one of the characters is a madman killer in a London mentl hospital after crimes that could easily be read as something akin to the JTR murders).

It is perfectly possible that RLS is capable of imagining the "feelings" of his characters. Jim Harper is a convincing child daredevil, but I do not believe that is evidence RLS was involved in piracy or treasure islands. I am not entirely sure he ever kidnapped people in Scotland either.

Thank you for the comments. It only comes to prove that this suspect, RLS, bothers many people.

But not for the reason you seem to think. This is not Ripperologists worrying your theory is better than theirs. These are people taking the time to point out why your theory has gaping holes and no substance.

[ChrisGeorge]

Thank you for the comments. It only comes to prove that this suspect, RLS, bothers many people.

But not for the reason you seem to think. This is not Ripperologists worrying your theory is better than theirs. These are people taking the time to point out why your theory has gaping holes and no substance.

I agree totally.

Chris

[jsantos]

Of course I know these people are enjoying... The people certainly prefer to debate the number of victims of Jack the Ripper. How many victims... 6, no... 5, no... 2, no... 5 again, no... 3... They will never get anywhere... One hundred years from now the doubts are the same. The big problem is not that the teory is no substance, the big problem is that they do not even try to understand the teory. Their comments have no substance...

[TomTomKent]

No, I'm pretty sure that the problem is we understand the theory, and it is lacking in substance. Any theory that rests on what you think Jack felt, or was like is slim. When you scrape the bottom of the barrel to say a police official might not have actesd as the suspect was scottish and a writer the theory flounders. But worst of all your arguments against criticism seem to assume that there is some form of hive mind for forum users; we do not all consider every suspect viable. Saying "well other suspects are dumb and you take them seriously" is inane. Or "first there were 5, then 6..." etc. No, some people believe 5, some 6, some more, some less. We don't all take every theory seriously, and are not obliged to take yours seriously until it has substance.

Proving anybody is the kind of person you think would be the ripper means nothing unless you place them in the right place, at the right time. Put the knife in his hand,not from prose but fact.

[jsantos]

In "The Ebb-Tide" RLS writes a fictional story based on moments of your life as Jack he Ripper and the reasons that led him to commit such atrocities. I truly believe it`s a confession.
There are too many coincidences with his life and the Jack`s story. But let`s see...
Refers to, in this case, 6 crimes, 3 letters, 1 message on the wall, an alias, the word Whitechapel. Also refers to his illness, tuberculosis, his escape by boat to Samoa and the farce that involves his escape. Their feelings of loneliness, despair, and the fact that he hates women. Beyond Samoa, also refers to London, California, San Francisco, Tahiti, places where Robert was present. Phrases like "cut your throat" or "...the disfigured corpse" demonstrate an extremely violent language. The duality of his character, and so much more...
How ridiculous is trying to compare this story with others from other writers who may also have coincidences with the Jack.
I challenge someone to find a story that has much in common with the Jack`s story like "The Ebb-Tide". Is impossible and why? Because "The Ebb-Tide" was written by Jack the Ripper.
I don`t have explained many aspects of this theory, because my English is very bad. I`m sorry for that.

[GregBaron]

Book #4612

Mr. jsantos, your English is not that bad.....much better than my Spanish .......I'm sorry for my shortcoming there.........

Yes, people are having some fun on this thread.......don't take it personally...........

You have every right to your opinions but Ripperologists like evidence although admittedly it's very scant in this 123 year old case...........at least placing someone in Whitechapel at murder time seems a reasonable requirement.........

But don't let us discourage you, I suggest you write a book(In Spanish) explaining your hypothesis ........the only thing that you must do and I stress must is have the following words in the Title.............Case Closed!

Greg

[jsantos]

Mr. Greg,

In my case is in Portuguese, not in spanish.
But anyway, thany you very much for the words.

P.S.
And you are right, "Case Closed" never! Because there will always be those who don`t believe that the Jack the Ripper mystery has been solved.

[Sally]

Book #4612

Seriously - that's how many there are???

No room for another Masonic Conspiracy then?

Darn.

Jsantos - like Greg says, don't take it personally - if that's your theory, that's your theory. The case remains unsolved at the present time, after all.