Mr Blotchy

[Wickerman]

We know for sure who Hutchinson was, or at least I do.

Ok Gareth, I'll grant you that, but it is contested, so it has yet to be proved beyond a reasonable doubt.

[richardnunweek]

Hi.
Me too Sam it was Topping, but not many people know that.
Regards Richard.

[Sam Flynn]

Two and a half years later, where would they begin to look for Hutchinson, or Cox, or Schwartz?
Remember, these three still remain unidentified to us with all our modern assets.

We know for sure who Hutchinson was, or at least I do.

[Batman]

Two and a half years later, where would they begin to look for Hutchinson, or Cox, or Schwartz?
Remember, these three still remain unidentified to us with all our modern assets.

Being unidentified to us doesn't mean they didn't keep track of important witnesses to one of most horrific series of crimes England had ever experienced. I would think Abberline having met Hutchinson wanting to keep tabs on him as a potential suspect. Also, the Whitechapel murder files have been pilfered throughout the ages and other historical important things through WWII destruction.

Also, it seems that a number of these investigators suggest the best witness was a City P.C who saw JtR, at Mitre Sq., which seems to indicate that they were suggesting Lewende (who didn't get a great view) over Hutchinson who apparently looked under him at his face.

Why would JtR murder Kelly knowing he had been ID'd?

[Batman]

We might be talking about something different.
In Dec. on the detainment of Joseph Isaacs at Bow-street, it was reported.....

Detective-inspector Abberline immediately proceeded to Bow-street, and subsequently brought away the prisoner in a cab, which was strongly escorted..............It is further stated that the inspector was heard to say to one of his subordinates: "Keep this quiet; we have got the right man at last. This is a big thing.”

On his appearance in court, one reported noted....
"He answered to the published description of a man with an astrachan trimming to his coat."

This is what I was referring to.

Ah ok, thanks for clarifying.

[Wickerman]

https://www.casebook.org/press_repor.../19030324.html

All one needs to do is to accept Adam simply got a date wrong and did make the statement to Godly. This was Philip Sugden's solution.

We might be talking about something different.
In Dec. on the detainment of Joseph Isaacs at Bow-street, it was reported.....

Detective-inspector Abberline immediately proceeded to Bow-street, and subsequently brought away the prisoner in a cab, which was strongly escorted..............It is further stated that the inspector was heard to say to one of his subordinates: "Keep this quiet; we have got the right man at last. This is a big thing.”

On his appearance in court, one reported noted....
"He answered to the published description of a man with an astrachan trimming to his coat."

This is what I was referring to.

[Wickerman]

This implies they didn't know how to find Hutchinson.

Two and a half years later, where would they begin to look for Hutchinson, or Cox, or Schwartz?
Remember, these three still remain unidentified to us with all our modern assets.

[Batman]

They knew where to find Lawende.

This implies they didn't know how to find Hutchinson.

[Wickerman]

So why use Lewende instead of Hutchinson for the Sadler ID?

They knew where to find Lawende.

[Batman]

So why use Lewende instead of Hutchinson for the Sadler ID?

[Wickerman]

I suspect Hutchinson was called to look at Isaacs, but couldn't be sure he was the man he saw with Kelly.

In all fairness Scott, I doubt it, unless Abberline believed Hutchinson had the wrong night. It was firmly established where Isaacs was on the night of 8/9 Nov.

[Wickerman]

Hi Jon,

There is absolutely no evidence that Abberline was interested in Issacs because of Hutchinson or his discredited Astrakhan description, nor is there any evidence that Abberline was particularly “excited” about Isaacs. That “we’ve found the ripper at last!” quote attributed to him was obviously nonsense.

Just a reminder.

Ben, it's the same level of evidence as your "discredited" claim that you worship so much.
You don't get to play the double standard, sorry.

[Batman]

Hi Jon,

That “we’ve found the ripper at last!” quote attributed to him was obviously nonsense.

Just a reminder.

https://www.casebook.org/press_reports/pall_mall_gazette/19030324.html

All one needs to do is to accept Adam simply got a date wrong and did make the statement to Godly. This was Philip Sugden's solution.

Sure they have lots of points on Chapman wrong, but when these are corrected it doesn't end up pointing away from him either.

[Ben]

Hi Jon,

There is absolutely no evidence that Abberline was interested in Issacs because of Hutchinson or his discredited Astrakhan description, nor is there any evidence that Abberline was particularly “excited” about Isaacs. That “we’ve found the ripper at last!” quote attributed to him was obviously nonsense.

Just a reminder.

[Scott Nelson]

I suspect Hutchinson was called to look at Isaacs, but couldn't be sure he was the man he saw with Kelly.