Does anything rule Bury out?

[johns]

To address the OPs original question...

Nothing rules Bury out for being JtR. Some of the suspects are ruled out because they were in jail or abroad or a ridiculously invented suspect in the first place or whatever as far as I can make out.

Nothing directly connects him with any murder in the London area throughout 1888... and nothing connects the myriad of other suspects either as far as I'm aware.


John

[John Wheat]

I'm perfectly willing to believe that my hasty precis of 1888-1889 is vague and therefor wrong. But something doesn't seem right.

And I'm wondering if we have different definitions of employment? As best I can tell he was employed by Martin and he worked on commission. Essentially he went out and drummed up business, maintained contacts, his clients were his, but in the end he was an employees working for a cut of the sales. The way most salesmen work. It is not what I define as self employed, but if that is your definition of self employed, then at least I know we are talking about the same thing.

To Errata

No we don't have different definitions of employment. As I previously stated Bury was self employed from May 1888. I assume Ellen funded Bury's purchasing of sand and sawdust. It's worth noting that Ellen paid for Bury's horse and cart.

Cheers John

[Errata]

To Errata

Bury was not rehired by James Martin in April/May 1888. In actual fact Bury purchased the sand and sawdust he required for his business in May 1888 off of Martin. Meaning Bury was self employed from May 1888 until he sold his horse and cart in December 1888. This info can be gleaned from Chapter 5 of William Beadle's book 'Jack the Ripper Unmasked'.

Cheers John

I'm perfectly willing to believe that my hasty precis of 1888-1889 is vague and therefor wrong. But something doesn't seem right.

He's fired in March. Ellen cashes out a stock so he can pay off his debt to employer. She doesn't touch the rest of it until June. So you gotta ask yourself how he paid for supplies. He wasn't working, his wife had not yet cashed out her stocks, and the guy who fired Bury for not paying his debts is highly unlikely to give him credit. I have no idea what the answer to this blip is, I don't know if it's significant in any way, but for some reason you bringing it up made me look at it a little differently.

And I'm wondering if we have different definitions of employment? As best I can tell he was employed by Martin and he worked on commission. Essentially he went out and drummed up business, maintained contacts, his clients were his, but in the end he was an employees working for a cut of the sales. The way most salesmen work. It is not what I define as self employed, but if that is your definition of self employed, then at least I know we are talking about the same thing.

[John Wheat]

Bury was fired in March of 1888. He was rehired late April/ early May...

To Errata

Bury was not rehired by James Martin in April/May 1888. In actual fact Bury purchased the sand and sawdust he required for his business in May 1888 off of Martin. Meaning Bury was self employed from May 1888 until he sold his horse and cart in December 1888. This info can be gleaned from Chapter 5 of William Beadle's book 'Jack the Ripper Unmasked'.

Cheers John

[John Wheat]

Isn't the 19th/20th December 1888 AFTER it appears that Bury sold his horse/pony and cart?

If Margaret Corney was correct about the date. Or if selling his rig indeed stopped Bury from going down into Whitechapel.

curious

To Curious

Bow is within walking distance of Whitechapel.

Cheers John