Does anything rule Bury out?

[John Wheat]

To Batman

Although presumably a horse meat butcher would be used to hacking and slashing meat and removing organs. Much like Jack did.

Cheers John

[John Wheat]

To Batman

Interesting reply.

Cheers John

[Batman]

Obviously. I'm not sure how useful this would be when mutilating a human.

Cheers John

In biology we learn about evolutionarily conserved traits so there is a similarity between mammals on some level, but when it comes equines and humans, the common ancestor they shared is extremely old and the variations between them quite significant in size and location. It's only helpful from an evolutionary point of view. Now having said that... I think a vet could if pushed do something very close to what a doctor could do in some surgical cases. However I don't think a doctor could, if pushed, do what a vet does. That has to do with the fact vets are trained for multiple species types, while doctors work on just one species, homo sapien (Well mammals that is, as viruses, bacterias etc., are also species).

In short, my answer would be, animal slaughter doesn't give one a clue about human anatomy, but vet studies would.

[John Wheat]

Yeah, horse anatomical knowledge.

Obviously. I'm not sure how useful this would be when mutilating a human.

Cheers John

[Batman]

Yes. Although Bury was at one point a horse meat butcher which would mean he had some anatomical knowledge.

Cheers John

Yeah, horse anatomical knowledge.

[John Wheat]

Am I correct in saying Bury had no medical training (at least to our knowledge)?

Yes. Although Bury was at one point a horse meat butcher which would mean he had some anatomical knowledge.

Cheers John

[Batman]

Am I correct in saying Bury had no medical training (at least to our knowledge)?

[curious]

Bury’s sawdust route could have taken him into Whitechapel. I’d be very surprised if the horse and cart weren’t somehow involved. The sawdust route would have given him an excuse for being in the area.

A sack of sawdust (if that’s how the sawdust was stored) would have been an excellent place to hide a long knife, an organ-containing pouch and trinkets from his victims.

AND the cart would have been a great place to stumble back to, climb aboard and sleep off a drunk and perhaps even hide during the manhunts following the murders.

If the police were accustomed to seeing him sleeping off a drunk, would they have attempted to awaken him on those nights one of the women was killed?

[Wyatt Earp]

Yes the insurmountable distance of a gentle 45 minute stroll from the ripper murder sites for a 28 year old. With I'm assuming plenty of pubs on the route for a rest and a drink. And of course Bury also had the option to use his horse and cart.

Bury’s sawdust route could have taken him into Whitechapel. I’d be very surprised if the horse and cart weren’t somehow involved. The sawdust route would have given him an excuse for being in the area.

A sack of sawdust (if that’s how the sawdust was stored) would have been an excellent place to hide a long knife, an organ-containing pouch and trinkets from his victims.

[John Wheat]

And don't forget he lived the huge and insurmountable distance of a gentle 45 minute stroll from the ripper murder sites. How I love that argument against his candidacy.

To John

Yes the insurmountable distance of a gentle 45 minute stroll from the ripper murder sites for a 28 year old. With I'm assuming plenty of pubs on the route for a rest and a drink. And of course Bury also had the option to use his horse and cart.

Cheers John

[Batman]

Thanks for that everybody. I have only come across Bury a few times so its good to learn a little more.

[johns]

I agree.

Nail the word "royal" to anything and a lot of folks will take an interest in it.

Bury was a low life thug, born in Boring old Miles from Anywhere Interesting and not even Remotely Royal Stourbridge.

And don't forget he lived the huge and insurmountable distance of a gentle 45 minute stroll from the ripper murder sites. How I love that argument against his candidacy.

Admittedly his nonsensical behaviour in Dundee after he murdered Ellen is a major detractor. But even taking this into account Bury is the best suspect there has been so far along with A N Other.

John

[John Wheat]

No problem John. If you ask me Bury gets overlooked because he was some ordinary loser and not some Royal or a famous painter etc.

Cheers John

[johns]

I totally agree John. I was just directly responding to the OPs points rather than elaborating further.

For me, Bury was JtR.. end of discussion. But that's just my opinion after years of reading and researching.

If the subject ever crops up and someone says "oh yes that Jack the Ripper. He was a member of the Royal family," I inform them that the Royal Ripper is totally made up drivel which only keeps going because of the Royal angle. I then further inform and explain why Bury was JtR at which point they've either walked away or nodded saying "Ooh interesting".

Regards
John (the other one)

[John Wheat]

To address the OPs original question...

Nothing rules Bury out for being JtR. Some of the suspects are ruled out because they were in jail or abroad or a ridiculously invented suspect in the first place or whatever as far as I can make out.

Nothing directly connects him with any murder in the London area throughout 1888... and nothing connects the myriad of other suspects either as far as I'm aware.


John

To John

This is all of course true but at least Bury is a proven murderer and not some random bloke with a moustache who happened to be in Whitechapel at the time of the murders. And he used a knife to mutilate his wife's abdomen.

Cheers John