Mock trial for Bury Feb 3

[Sam Flynn]

K it

Well I think the Ellen committed suicide is an irrational scenario. Anyone who is open to the possibility of it or however they want to discribe it is to my mind being irrational.

You may think it unlikely, but it's not irrational. Unhappy people hang themselves quite often, sadly, and it's not at all unlikely that Ellen was unhappy with her lot.

[John Wheat]

I've not posted anything even slightly "irrational" (never mind completely irrational) on this thread, and the fact that you think that I have speaks volumes about your ability to reason objectively in this matter.

Well I think the Ellen committed suicide is an irrational scenario. Anyone who is open to the possibility of it or however they want to discribe it is to my mind being irrational.

[Sam Flynn]

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Sorry, I was being irrational

Now that’s funny

I pi'ed myself too.

[Abby Normal]

3.14159265358979.............

Sorry, I was being irrational.

Now that’s funny

[Sam Flynn]

Those who state entertain the possibility who then go on to propose something so unlikely that it is a completely irrational scenario are still being irrational.

I've not posted anything even slightly "irrational" (never mind completely irrational) on this thread, and the fact that you think that I have speaks volumes about your ability to reason objectively in this matter.

[007]

3.14159265358979.............

Sorry, I was being irrational.

[John Wheat]

I wasn't the one who proposed that she committed suicide for starters, and I've not made any irrational comments on the matter either. Anyone with an ounce of objectivity will be able to see that for themselves by reading my posts.

For clarity, I still think it likely that she was killed, which I clearly said in my response to Abby - in which I also stated that I was prepared to entertain the possibility that she committed suicide, that's all.

Those who state entertain the possibility who then go on to propose something so unlikely that it is a completely irrational scenario are still being irrational.

[Sam Flynn]

Also your recent posts proposing Ellen committing suicide have not shown you as being a particularly rational person to say the least.

I wasn't the one who proposed that she committed suicide for starters, and I've not made any irrational comments on the matter either. Anyone with an ounce of objectivity will be able to see that for themselves by reading my posts.

For clarity, I still think it likely that she was killed, which I clearly said in my response to Abby - in which I also stated that I was prepared to entertain the possibility that she committed suicide, that's all.

[Scott Nelson]

The main reason's Bury is not regarded as the top Ripper suspect is because he's not a glam enough suspect and alternatively people would rather have the romance of an Unknown Local be the Ripper than Bury.

It's also difficult to imagine a sawdust vendor as Jack the Ripper.

[John Wheat]

The main reason against his being the Ripper are because the injuries he inflicted on his wife are very minor even when compared to those inflicted on the outdoor victims of the Ripper, and positively trivial compared to the Ripper's only indoor victim. There are other factors, of course, but his not being "glam" enough isn't one of them.

I have to disagree Sam. Bury is a proven violent murderer who fits the Psyche profile's as much as you would expect from Jack. Also your recent posts proposing Ellen committing suicide have not shown you as being a particularly rational person to say the least.

[Sam Flynn]

The main reason against his being the Ripper are because the injuries he inflicted on his wife are very minor even when compared to those inflicted on the outdoor victims of the Ripper, and positively trivial compared to the Ripper's only indoor victim. There are other factors, of course, but his not being "glam" enough isn't one of them.

[John Wheat]

The main reason's Bury is not regarded as the top Ripper suspect is because he's not a glam enough suspect and alternatively people would rather have the romance of an Unknown Local be the Ripper than Bury.

[Sam Flynn]

to me the most obvious explanation is they got in a drunken row and he killed her.

Oh, I think so too, Abby, but I'm open to the possibility of suicide, followed by a pissed-up WH Bury losing it and cutting her a bit.

now why he mutilated the abdomen is a head scratcher.

Actually, it was little more than an abdomen-scratcher.

[Sam Flynn]

You do understand that Bury confessed to murdering Ellen?

I daresay that the people who intend to hold this "retrial" understand that, too.

[Wyatt Earp]

She had an abusive drunk for a husband, who'd uprooted her and taken her to Dundee on false pretences, so it's entirely possible she'd had enough.

Not at all, Jon. Instead, is it not possible that William came home sozzled, found her dead, and freaked out?

You do understand that Bury confessed to murdering Ellen?

And risk being beaten up by him when he was released without charge? By framing him as a parting gift, she could be sure there'd be no comebacks.

Ellen would definitely have understood the risk of a beating by Bury. If she had taken the significant step of going to the police and telling them that her husband was the Ripper, it’s reasonable to believe she either would have been finished with him at that point and would not have gone back to him, or she would have explained her situation to the police, perhaps resulting in some accommodation.