Mock trial for Bury Feb 3

[Abby Normal]

"Fit me up as Jack the Ripper, would you? Well, I'll show you, you vindictive bitch!" (Said in angry, beery voice)

... kind of thing.

Hi Sam
IMHO this is really farfetched. especially since he was obsessed about NOT being accused of being the ripper.

to me the most obvious explanation is they got in a drunken row and he killed her. now why he mutilated the abdomen is a head scratcher, unless of course he was the ripper.

[Sam Flynn]

Why would he freak out in your scenario? Why would he mutilate her? Why would he put her in a box?

"Fit me up as Jack the Ripper, would you? Well, I'll show you, you vindictive bitch!" (Said in angry, beery voice)

... kind of thing.

[John Wheat]

She had an abusive drunk for a husband, who'd uprooted her and taken her to Dundee on false pretences, so it's entirely possible she'd had enough.Not at all, Jon. Instead, is it not possible that William came home sozzled, found her dead, and freaked out?

Why would he freak out in your scenario? Why would he mutilate her? Why would he put her in a box?

[Sam Flynn]

If she wanted to tell the world her husband was the Ripper, all she had to do was walk into a police station in Dundee and report him while Bury was off drinking in a pub somewhere.

And risk being beaten up by him when he was released without charge? By framing him as a parting gift, she could be sure there'd be no comebacks.

[Sam Flynn]

It's a ludicrous scenario Sam.

She had an abusive drunk for a husband, who'd uprooted her and taken her to Dundee on false pretences, so it's entirely possible she'd had enough.

I suppose you're also saying Ellen stabbed herself and put herself in the box.

Not at all, Jon. Instead, is it not possible that William came home sozzled, found her dead, and freaked out?

[John Wheat]

Can't see why not, except Inasmuch as accepting the possibility would require one to drop the idea that Bury was a proven killer. I realise that this could be problematic for some

It's a ludicrous scenario Sam. I suppose you're also saying Ellen stabbed herself and put herself in the box.

[Wyatt Earp]

Perhaps she wrote the graffiti as a parting insult before hanging herself, fitting him up as an act of post-mortem revenge?

If Ellen was semi-literate, that might explain the "Jack Ripper" misspelling.

I don't think Ellen is plausible candidate for having chalked the graffiti at the back of the residence. If she wanted to tell the world her husband was the Ripper, all she had to do was walk into a police station in Dundee and report him while Bury was off drinking in a pub somewhere. Also, she would only have needed to chalk one message, not two, to accomplish her aim. Finally, Ellen could barely write and it's not believable that she would even have been able to chalk the messages in the two different hands that we see in the messages.

[Abby Normal]

Perhaps she wrote the graffiti as a parting insult before hanging herself, fitting him up as an act of post-mortem revenge?

if the graffiti was there, I'm more inclined to think the neighborhood kids wrote it.

[Wyatt Earp]

Bury never said that, did he? He never actually confessed to being the Ripper (putting the graffiti aside), he said he was worried of being suspected as the Ripper.

Bury did tell the police that Ellen's body was in the trunk, but the article incorrectly states that Bury told the police he was Jack the Ripper. At Bury's trial, Parr testified that Bury told him he feared being apprehended as the Ripper, not that he actually was the Ripper.

[Wyatt Earp]

If the letter Bury wrote in which he confessed to murdering Ellen is admitted into evidence, I don't give him much of a chance.

[Sam Flynn]

If Ellen was semi-literate, that might explain the "Jack Ripper" misspelling.

Indeed. I thought so as well.

[Sam Flynn]

Not very plausible Sam

Can't see why not, except Inasmuch as accepting the possibility would require one to drop the idea that Bury was a proven killer. I realise that this could be problematic for some

[John Wheat]

Perhaps she wrote the graffiti as a parting insult before hanging herself, fitting him up as an act of post-mortem revenge?

Not very plausible Sam

[Harry D]

Perhaps she wrote the graffiti as a parting insult before hanging herself, fitting him up as an act of post-mortem revenge?

If Ellen was semi-literate, that might explain the "Jack Ripper" misspelling.

[Sam Flynn]

Perhaps she wrote the graffiti as a parting insult before hanging herself, fitting him up as an act of post-mortem revenge?