Mock trial for Bury Feb 3

[Sam Flynn]

I rule out Stride, Tabram and McKenzie as their wounds were of a rather different character to the Ripper's victims. Nichols was significantly more mutilated than either of those (and Ellen Bury for that matter), sustaining severe abdominal wounds and a deeply cut throat, making her a definite Ripper victim in my view.

[Abby Normal]

A Ripper who couldn't help himself, even a Ripper who could help himself, would likely have inflicted even more damage on the body. What was to stop him doing so?

It's that, incidentally, not a closed mind on my part, that makes me rule out Bury as JTR.

Hi Sam
Do you rule out Nichols, stride, tabram, and McKenzie as ripper victims?

Different circumstances could lead to different outcomes.

[Sam Flynn]

Hi again Sam

conversely, even if this (IMHO absurd) scenario happened, one could view it as, having come home and finding a dead woman at his disposal, the ripper just couldn't help himself, and mutilated her abdomen.

A Ripper who couldn't help himself, even a Ripper who could help himself, would likely have inflicted even more damage on the body. What was to stop him doing so?

It's that, incidentally, not a closed mind on my part, that makes me rule out Bury as JTR.

[Abby Normal]

I must be one of them plebs, then, because I don't find that in the least unbelievable.

He was a violent drunkard, like you say, so why couldn't he have come home pissed and, finding his wife had killed herself, flipped and "lost his rag" with her one final time?

I'm not saying that's what happened, but it's certainly not unlikely.

Hi again Sam

conversely, even if this (IMHO absurd) scenario happened, one could view it as, having come home and finding a dead woman at his disposal, the ripper just couldn't help himself, and mutilated her abdomen.

[Elamarna]

It's just your opinion that I'm probably wrong Steve

Of course John, just as it's yours that you are right. I have no problem with that at all.

Steve

[John Wheat]

The verdict is fool’s gold for the many people in and around this case who are having trouble coming to terms with the forensic and other evidence linking Bury to the Ripper murders. I’ve read through the Dundee Courier tweets on the trial, and I’m very pleased with the outcome. While it’s true that the jury acquitted Bury in a split decision, the important news coming out of the trial is that no modern medical evidence was presented which excluded the possibility that Bury murdered Ellen. Well, shortly after his last chance at a reprieve had been denied by Lord Lothian, Bury removed all doubt by confessing to the murder, and being the nice guy that he was, he blamed Ellen for her own murder. So all in all, a very positive outcome from the retrial, and I’d like to thank Adam Wood for drawing attention to it in his editorial in the new issue of Ripperologist.

Welcome back to the boards Wyatt and with an accurate and thoughtful post as well.

Cheers Hohn

[John Wheat]

Thats better John, you're probably wrong but dont let it put you off arguing for him as you often do.

All the best

Steve

It's just your opinion that I'm probably wrong Steve

[John Wheat]

It is NOT an absurd scenario!

No it really is Sam

[John Wheat]

Hi sam
IMHO that scnenario is unlikely to the point of absurdity.

Hi Abby/Sam

It is not just those who believe Bury was the Ripper who think your scenario is absurd.

Cheers John

[Sam Flynn]

Funny how you aren't this open-minded when it comes to Bury being the Ripper, but you can dream up absurd scenarios like this.

It is NOT an absurd scenario!

[Wyatt Earp]

The verdict is fool’s gold for the many people in and around this case who are having trouble coming to terms with the forensic and other evidence linking Bury to the Ripper murders. I’ve read through the Dundee Courier tweets on the trial, and I’m very pleased with the outcome. While it’s true that the jury acquitted Bury in a split decision, the important news coming out of the trial is that no modern medical evidence was presented which excluded the possibility that Bury murdered Ellen. Well, shortly after his last chance at a reprieve had been denied by Lord Lothian, Bury removed all doubt by confessing to the murder, and being the nice guy that he was, he blamed Ellen for her own murder. So all in all, a very positive outcome from the retrial, and I’d like to thank Adam Wood for drawing attention to it in his editorial in the new issue of Ripperologist.

[Harry D]

Confession time. I've smashed $hit up when angry and drunk, and I won't have been the only one to do that. On that basis, I can't see why a wife-beater like Bury couldn't have smashed his wife up after death.

Funny how you aren't this open-minded when it comes to Bury being the Ripper, but you can dream up absurd scenarios like this.

[Sam Flynn]

I was angry and drunk last night as I had bet on and wanted the patriots to win

Still, Howard Brown should be happy with the result, unless he's a secret Patriots supporter too

[Abby Normal]

I really, really don't understand why anyone could find that unlikely, Abby, still less absurd.

Confession time. I've smashed $hit up when angry and drunk, and I won't have been the only one to do that. On that basis, I can't see why a wife-beater like Bury couldn't have smashed his wife up after death.

PS: I don't get angry or drunk any more. That was decades ago, in my rebellious years

I was angry and drunk last night as I had bet on and wanted the patriots to win. Lol!

[Sam Flynn]

Hi sam
IMHO that scnenario is unlikely to the point of absurdity.

I really, really don't understand why anyone could find that unlikely, Abby, still less absurd.

Confession time. I've smashed $hit up when angry and drunk, and I won't have been the only one to do that. On that basis, I can't see why a wife-beater like Bury couldn't have smashed his wife up after death.

PS: I don't get angry or drunk any more. That was decades ago, in my rebellious years