The broken window

[Simon Wood]

Hi Wickerman,

Are you suggesting the boy was an invention?

Regards,

Simon

[David Orsam]

If Dr Gabe was brought to Miller's Court to look after a little boy I'm wondering why it was necessary for him to view Kelly's body.

Anyway, one thing to bear in mind - which may or may not be relevant - is that between at least 1880 and 1883 (and possibly up to 1885) Dr Gabe resided at 21 Church Street, Spitalfields, a stone's throw from Dorset Street.

[Simon Wood]

Hi All,

Since 1777, 21 Church Street, Spitalfields [later 27 Fournier Street], had been the address of the London Dispensary, for the provision of free medical attention and medicines.



Regards,

Simon

[David Orsam]

Hi All,

Since 1777, 21 Church Street, Spitalfields [later 27 Fournier Street], had been the address of the London Dispensary, for the provision of free medical attention and medicines.

Yeah, that makes sense, Dr Gabe obviously carried out his medical practice from there for a few years in the early 1880s.

[Wickerman]

Hi Simon.

The boy doesn't need to be an invention, just another case of mistaken identity.

The Star, on Friday night wrote:
"..she lived in the room in which she has been murdered, with a man and her little son - about 10 or 11 years old."

They also add:
" The woman appears to have lived in the house where she slept last night with her mother and a man who passed as her husband. She had one child."

So now there's not only a son but a mother too, and now the boy is 10 or 11, not 6 or 7.

The Echo, also on Friday night wrote:
"The woman was found lying either in the second floor front room or in the passage leading to it.."

They also add:
"...The lad who went up to the woman's room to collect the rent,.."

They seem to believe the victims room was upstairs.
So who lived upstairs with her mother and son?

Yet the location of the body also seems confused:
"..the dead body of a woman was found in an untenanted outhouse or shed in Dorset-court"

It might be reasonable to ask if there was a woman and child, living with her mother upstairs, whom some Court residents believed was the victim.
There are many rooms in Millers Court for which we have no known occupants at the time of the murder.

[Robert St Devil]

Hi Simon.

The boy doesn't need to be an invention, just another case of mistaken identity.

The Star, on Friday night wrote:
"..she lived in the room in which she has been murdered, with a man and her little son - about 10 or 11 years old."

They also add:
" The woman appears to have lived in the house where she slept last night with her mother and a man who passed as her husband. She had one child."

So now there's not only a son but a mother too, and now the boy is 10 or 11, not 6 or 7.

The Echo, also on Friday night wrote:
"The woman was found lying either in the second floor front room or in the passage leading to it.."

They also add:
"...The lad who went up to the woman's room to collect the rent,.."

They seem to believe the victims room was upstairs.
So who lived upstairs with her mother and son?

Yet the location of the body also seems confused:
"..the dead body of a woman was found in an untenanted outhouse or shed in Dorset-court"

It might be reasonable to ask if there was a woman and child, living with her mother upstairs, whom some Court residents believed was the victim.
There are many rooms in Millers Court for which we have no known occupants at the time of the murder.

Echo also wrote that McCarthys son entered her room and found her. Actually it was the Echo sourcing the Press Association. It seems to be a developing story.

[DJA]

Hi John Guy,

I understand he was a "General Practitioner - Surgeon."

Regards,

Simon

He had witnessed many dissections apparently.

Makes sense.

[Simon Wood]

Hi All,

Illustrated Police News, 17th November 1888—

Another account says that she had a little boy, aged about six or seven years, living with her, and latterly she had been in narrow straits, so much so that she is reported to have stated to a companion that she would make away with herself, as she could not bear to see her boy starving . . . Soon after they [Kelly and the companion] parted a man who is described as respectably dressed came up and spoke to the murdered woman Kelly, and offered her some money. The man then acompanied the woman home to her lodgings, and the little boy was removed from the room and taken to a neighbour's house. Nothing more was seen of the woman until Friday morning, when, it is stated, the little boy was sent back into the house, and subsequently dispatched on an errand by the man who was in the house with his mother.

Regards,

Simon

[Rosella]

I'm afraid journalists at the 'Illustrated Police News' were like those of 'the Star' and like tabloid journalists today, just as capable of using their imaginations and pulling a story out of thin air.

[Jon Guy]

In all liklihood then ,they were checking for signs of pregnancy if there was no child there

Any child would have been mentioned in the police reports and inquest.

It seems more likely Gabe was there because of the mutilated genitalia and missing uteri.

[packers stem]

Any child would have been mentioned in the police reports and inquest.

Only in a utopia of honesty, which clearly doesn't apply to Whitechapel in 1888 Jon
Some of us are inclined to question many official reports, depends on your mindset
If someone believes there's absolutely nothing out of place then clearly official reports are gospel
But if you believe that things aren't really as they should be then everything official is taken with a bucket of salt
Just the way of it

[Phil Carter]

Only in a utopia of honesty, which clearly doesn't apply to Whitechapel in 1888 Jon
Some of us are inclined to question many official reports, depends on your mindset
If someone believes there's absolutely nothing out of place then clearly official reports are gospel
But if you believe that things aren't really as they should be then everything official is taken with a bucket of salt
Just the way of it

Agreed.
An open mind costs nothing.
A closed mind hinders possibles.

Phil

[Jon Guy]

Only in a utopia of honesty, which clearly doesn't apply to Whitechapel in 1888 Jon
Some of us are inclined to question many official reports, depends on your mindset
If someone believes there's absolutely nothing out of place then clearly official reports are gospel
But if you believe that things aren't really as they should be then everything official is taken with a bucket of salt
Just the way of it

But, it`s answers we`re after, not questions.
Yes, Phil Carter`s childlike propensity to question everything is very sweet and endearing but it only wastes time when valuable research could be done.

But yes, that is the way of it.

[Phil Carter]

But, it`s answers we`re after, not questions.
Yes, Phil Carter`s childlike propensity to question everything is very sweet and endearing but it only wastes time when valuable research could be done.

But yes, that is the way of it.

I beg your pardon?
That's extremely rude and totally out of order. This thread hasn't dropped to the level of personal insult until now. I suggest it doesn't need to start either.

It is normally impossible to get an answer without asking a question. Where no answer exists, questions are asked. By all on this thread.


Phil.

[Rosella]

Was Mary a patient of the Doctor's at one time, or perhaps registered for treatment and free medicines at the Dispensary?