The broken window

[Rosella]

Hello all,

Please excuse the diversion but could somebody please point me at the origin of the nickname Long Liz, from 1888?
Thank you. ☺


Phil

It was a joke, like in Australia redheads used to be nicknamed 'Bluey'. Short people (Liz was only 5ft 2ins) were often called 'Long', especially if the last name fitted in with it, such as Stride (long stride, as in walk.)

[Jon Guy]

So why was a doctor from the NSPCC summoned to Millers Court?

Hi Simon

Was it because he was also a gynaecologist ?

[Jon Guy]

No need for an axe. No need for the door to be destroyed either.

They forced the door open with a pick axe at the point of the lock.
Not much damage, and all that was required to secure the door again was a padlock.

[John G]

It was a joke, like in Australia redheads used to be nicknamed 'Bluey'. Short people (Liz was only 5ft 2ins) were often called 'Long', especially if the last name fitted in with it, such as Stride (long stride, as in walk.)

Is this necessarily the case, though? People were much shorter in the late 19th century than today: average male height was 5ft 6in (William Bury was only 5ft 3in), so women would have been significantly shorter (Annie Chapman was 4ft 11in, I believe, as was Queen Victoria). Liz Stride, therefore, could have been above average height for a woman, particularly as texts have been inconsistent in stating her height: this site, suggests 5ft 5in, for example, which presumably would have been very tall for a woman.

[DJA]

It was a joke, like in Australia redheads used to be nicknamed 'Bluey'.

"Ranga" is popular these days.

[Simon Wood]

Hi John Guy,

I understand he was a "General Practitioner - Surgeon."

Regards,

Simon

[Jon Guy]

Hi John Guy,

I understand he was a "General Practitioner - Surgeon."

Regards,

Simon

Gynaecologist and paediatrician, Simon

[Simon Wood]

Hi John Guy,

Yes, I've read that.

Regards,

Simon

[Phil Carter]

Hello all,

In 2007, Gareth (Sam Flynn) wrote...

"I have no idea whether or not Kelly (or whoever she really was) was pregnant or had a child living with her, but it's always seemed odd to me that one of the seven doctors called to attend her corpse—Dr. J. R. Gabe of Mecklenburgh Square— specialised in paediatrics
......Gabe was a surgeon affiliated to the Society for the Protection [sic. - "prevention"] of Cruelty to Young Children - but whether that made him a "paediatrician" is a moot point. Gabe was certainly called upon by the Society in cases of child abuse in the East End and elsewhere in London. However, although these cases make up the bulk of his entries in the Times, Gabe also testified at inquests into the deaths of late teenagers and adults on occasion - once, in 1890, he gave evidence in a case of wife-murder in Clerkenwell.

Perhaps he was no more a full-time paediatrician than Bagster Phillips was a full-time "forensic pathologist", but - by association with the society to which he was affiliated - one might be forgiven for thinking that he was. Gabe certainly had a degree of experience in examining and describing wounds, and perhaps it was simply in this capacity that he attended Miller's Court."


Phil

[DJA]

Liz Stride, therefore, could have been above average height for a woman, particularly as texts have been inconsistent in stating her height: this site, suggests 5ft 5in, for example, which presumably would have been very tall for a woman.

Reid went the mortuary.

5'2" according to his testimony at the Inquest.

[packers stem]

Gynaecologist and paediatrician, Simon

In all liklihood then ,they were checking for signs of pregnancy if there was no child there

[Simon Wood]

Hi packers stem,

Except for the fact that the doctor was not a gynaecologist.

Regards,

Simon

[packers stem]

Hi packers stem,

Except for the fact that the doctor was not a gynaecologist.

Regards,

Simon

Hi Simon
Happy to bow to your knowledge of Dr.Gabe
Has to be a reason as to why his consultation was required

[Simon Wood]

Hi packers stem,

I would suggest the presence of the six or seven-year-old boy.

Regards,

Simon

[Wickerman]

It's hard to imagine the press failing to mention this boy after the 10th, and into who's care he will be entrusted. That kind of sympathetic appeal cannot fail to draw the readers in.