A bump for the JtR Map

[Charlie]

I also suggest:
10 Goring Street: home of Dr Morgan Davies accused by Roslyn D'Onston of being Jack the Ripper. It is sometimes said that his address was 5-9 Goring Street and he then moved to number 10 (https://www.casebook.org/forum/messages/4922/6733.html), but I think the 5-9 was a mistake (the two numbers are not on the same side of the street) which was subsequently corrected in the 1901 census.


To view the map: https://www.oldmapsonline.org/maps/6...-d5fd52d0c2ea/

[Charlie]

I know Joseph Merrick was not the Ripper, but it might be interesting to indicate where his room was in the London hospital (look only at the red cross, not the two arrows).
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The image above is taken from the thread on “The The London Hospital” (https://forum.casebook.org/forum/rip...hospital/page3).

[Charlie]

Hi,
I suggest a new address:
30 Foster Street (right next to Buck's row) : home of Robert Paul, who was with Lechmere when Polly Nichols' body was discovered.
Thanks!



To view this map: https://britishlibrary.oldmapsonline.org/maps/6e798cca-ecaf-56f0-a30e-b1385450ed78/

[richardh]

Hi,
I suggest a new address:
30 Foster Street (right next to Buck's row) : home of Robert Paul, who was with Lechmere when Polly Nichols' body was discovered.
Thanks!



To view this map: https://britishlibrary.oldmapsonline.org/maps/6e798cca-ecaf-56f0-a30e-b1385450ed78/

Thanks, Charlie.
I've added all your suggestions.
Keep 'em coming!

[richardh]

Update:
I've reinstated the website for the map so it's easier to find!

It's easy to just remember jtrmap.com
Thanks

[jerryd]

Hi Richard. Harry Harris (Mitre Square Witness with Lawende) lived at 34, Newcastle Street. Backed up to Castle Alley across from Mc Kenzie murder site.

[The Rookie Detective]

That's an incredible piece of work. Absolutely fascinating how close Israel Lipski had lived to Dutfields Yard.

I have always wondered why this hasn't been looked into more.

Miriam Angel was murdered in 1887 in the first-floor front room of 16 Batty Street (facing East)

Mrs Kuer's lodger at 22 Batty Street; the so-called "Batty Street Lodger," was located just 3 doors south of 16 Batty Street, was at one time a mysterious person of interest in the Ripper murders.
The top floor back room of 22 Batty Street also MAY have had a partial view of the murder site in Dutfields Yard, because 22 Batty Street was the last house on the western side of Batty Street before the alleyway which ran directly from Batty Street and into Berner Street.
There was a pub on Batty Street located just south of this alleyway.

This alleyway meant that to get from Berner Street to Batty Street, you didn't need to walk south into Fairclough street and then around the perimeter of the board school, past the playground and then into Batty Street, because one could simply walk through the alleyway which ran (parallel) just north of the board school.

In practice it COULD have taken the killer under 30 seconds to have run from the place Stride was murdered, through the alleyway and into Batty Street and come out between the pub and 22 Batty Street.
If the "lodger" was the killer, in practice, it could have taken him around 30 seconds to have ran from Dutfields Yard, headed north, crossed the road, run east along the alleyway and come out into Batty Street between the pub and 22 Batty Street.

That means that by the time Diemschultz came back out into the yard, the killer could have already been back in his room.

Although that's unlikely of course due to the subsequent murder of Eddowes...BUT the theory of the lodger escaping back to his room at 22 Batty St from murdering Stride in Dutfields yard in under a minute, is accurate.

Let's also not forget that a certain Charles Le Grand (countless other names he used included) who made himself present in Berner Street to "interview" Packer, was also active in the Lipksi murder case a year earlier.
Le Grand was hired as an investigator into the murder of Miriam Angel.

At one stage he barged his way into the house of a potential witness to the Lipski killing, and scared the man's daughter so much, that she had a fit and collapsed, and needed to be rushed to hospital.

Le Grand is connected to the aftermath of both the Lipski murder AND the Stride murder.


But i digress...

The proximity to the murder of Miriam Angel at 16 Batty St
The lodger at 22 Batty St
The murder of Stride in Dutfields Yard
And the potential scenario whereby Israel Lipski gave a false confession only after he knew he would have no reprieve from being hanged, despite always previously claiming his innocence (I don't believe he was the killer, and that the real killer escaped justice)

AND... the alleged shouting of "LIPSKI" by BS man towards Schwartz, to me suggests that the use of the word Lipski may have more relevance than we realize.


RD

[richardh]

Hi Richard. Harry Harris (Mitre Square Witness with Lawende) lived at 34, Newcastle Street. Backed up to Castle Alley across from Mc Kenzie murder site.

Added. With thanks.

[richardh]

I have always wondered why this hasn't been looked into more.

Miriam Angel was murdered in 1887 in the first-floor front room of 16 Batty Street (facing East)

Mrs Kuer's lodger at 22 Batty Street; the so-called "Batty Street Lodger," was located just 3 doors south of 16 Batty Street, was at one time a mysterious person of interest in the Ripper murders.
The top floor back room of 22 Batty Street also MAY have had a partial view of the murder site in Dutfields Yard, because 22 Batty Street was the last house on the western side of Batty Street before the alleyway which ran directly from Batty Street and into Berner Street.
There was a pub on Batty Street located just south of this alleyway.

This alleyway meant that to get from Berner Street to Batty Street, you didn't need to walk south into Fairclough street and then around the perimeter of the board school, past the playground and then into Batty Street, because one could simply walk through the alleyway which ran (parallel) just north of the board school.

In practice it COULD have taken the killer under 30 seconds to have run from the place Stride was murdered, through the alleyway and into Batty Street and come out between the pub and 22 Batty Street.
If the "lodger" was the killer, in practice, it could have taken him around 30 seconds to have ran from Dutfields Yard, headed north, crossed the road, run east along the alleyway and come out into Batty Street between the pub and 22 Batty Street.

That means that by the time Diemschultz came back out into the yard, the killer could have already been back in his room.

Although that's unlikely of course due to the subsequent murder of Eddowes...BUT the theory of the lodger escaping back to his room at 22 Batty St from murdering Stride in Dutfields yard in under a minute, is accurate.

Let's also not forget that a certain Charles Le Grand (countless other names he used included) who made himself present in Berner Street to "interview" Packer, was also active in the Lipksi murder case a year earlier.
Le Grand was hired as an investigator into the murder of Miriam Angel.

At one stage he barged his way into the house of a potential witness to the Lipski killing, and scared the man's daughter so much, that she had a fit and collapsed, and needed to be rushed to hospital.

Le Grand is connected to the aftermath of both the Lipski murder AND the Stride murder.


But i digress...

The proximity to the murder of Miriam Angel at 16 Batty St
The lodger at 22 Batty St
The murder of Stride in Dutfields Yard
And the potential scenario whereby Israel Lipski gave a false confession only after he knew he would have no reprieve from being hanged, despite always previously claiming his innocence (I don't believe he was the killer, and that the real killer escaped justice)

AND... the alleged shouting of "LIPSKI" by BS man towards Schwartz, to me suggests that the use of the word Lipski may have more relevance than we realize.


RD

Added these details to the map:

https://miro.com/app/board/uXjVPMy6zMo=/?share_link_id=859442786384

[richardh]

UPDATE
I've added a lot more photos and links to the map.
Please keep the annotation suggestions coming.
thanks

[The Rookie Detective]

richardh...

Your skill and talent in this particular field are exceptional.

Absolutely brilliant work!



RD

[Charlie]

Hi, Richard

An other adress:
– 147 Cable Street: where Lechmere's mother, Maria Louisa, and Charles Allen's daughter lived at the time of murders. Proponents of the Lechmere theory claim that it was on his way back from seeing his mother and daughter that he committed the crime on Elizabeth Stride in Dutfield's Yard.



To see this map: https://www.oldmapsonline.org/compar...2-0ce053a0581f
Thanks

[richardh]

Hi, Richard

An other adress:
– 147 Cable Street: where Lechmere's mother, Maria Louisa, and Charles Allen's daughter lived at the time of murders. Proponents of the Lechmere theory claim that it was on his way back from seeing his mother and daughter that he committed the crime on Elizabeth Stride in Dutfield's Yard.



To see this map: https://www.oldmapsonline.org/compar...2-0ce053a0581f
Thanks

Added

[richardh]

UPDATE (Again)
I've decided NOT to allow contributing editor privileges for people to join and edit the map because I am worried that one wrong move and the map and all the annotations and details will be lost!

I was adding things today and accidentally did something that could have been a disaster! Fortunately, I sussed it before it was too late and fixed things.

So if/when you have suggestions for annotations or details to include on the map, please just use this thread OR the form.

I'll put the link to the form in my signature.
Thanks

[richardh]

Update:
I've embedded the map into the JtRmap website now.
It will make it easier to visit.
Also, the 'request annotation' form is on the website.

Just click the link in my signature to go to the JtRMap website. (or simply remember the link is jtrmap.com)
Thanks