Anderson in NY Times, March 20, 1910

[Stephen Thomas]

Here ya go—

http://www.casebook.org/forum/messages/4920/19767.html

Ah, Phil Hill. Where is he now?

[Chris]

If my memory serves me well, which it often doesn't, there were approx. 17 such murderous attacks in every year from 1886 through 1889 with no blips on the statistics to indicate the sudden arrival of a 'serial killer' anywhere.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but the numbers for murders given in that thread (including the canonical victims and Tabram) seem to be:
1887: 13
1888: 16
1889: 4

For murders labelled "outdoors", the numbers seem to be:
1887: 0
1888: 9
1889: 1

[DVV]

Hi David,

To use an archaeological metaphor we have done the heavy digging and pegged out our site. Now we are on our hands and knees with soft brushes, carefully preserving as much detail as possible.

All I can tell you at the moment is that it's a very exciting find.

Regards,

Simon

Thanks for the metaphor, Simon.
Archeology brings me straight to Aksum.
Once you've been there, you can die in peace.

Not to say I'm not excited by the find !

Amitiés,
David

[Simon Wood]

Hi David,

To use an archaeological metaphor we have done the heavy digging and pegged out our site. Now we are on our hands and knees with soft brushes, carefully preserving as much detail as possible.

All I can tell you at the moment is that it's a very exciting find.

Regards,

Simon

[lynn cates]

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Hello Simon.

"Yes, you understand perfectly. There was no such person as Jack the Ripper; no knuckle-dragging psychopath [Jewish or otherwise] or top-hatted doctor toting a Gladstone bag roaming the streets of Whitechapel. Put serial killers out of your mind. JtR was a carefully-crafted official invention to explain something very different that was going on at the time. And we are starting to close in on that "something very different"."

If that's your tune, will you permit me to sing in your chorus?

The best.
LC

[DVV]

Hi AP,

Yes, you understand perfectly. There was no such person as Jack the Ripper; no knuckle-dragging psychopath [Jewish or otherwise] or top-hatted doctor toting a Gladstone bag roaming the streets of Whitechapel. Put serial killers out of your mind. JtR was a carefully-crafted official invention to explain something very different that was going on at the time.

And we are starting to close in on that "something very different".

Care to join?


Simon

Care to hear more, Simon.

Amitiés, melkam mishät,
David

[Phil Carter]

Helo Simon, Rob, AP, all

Thanks for the kind words.

Simon, that link is a Godsend. Thank you.

best wishes

Phil

[Simon Wood]

Hi AP,

Here ya go—

http://www.casebook.org/forum/messages/4920/19767.html

Regards,

Simon

[Cap'n Jack]

Thanks Simon and Rob.
I never keep any of my research material, but just fire it at the sun with a rubber band and then forget about it.
However, I do believe the original thread detailing my original research and work is still available on a cd - or something - under 'Murder in the LVP'. If you can find it, I'd love to see it again myself.
If my memory serves me well, which it often doesn't, there were approx. 17 such murderous attacks in every year from 1886 through 1889 with no blips on the statistics to indicate the sudden arrival of a 'serial killer' anywhere.

[robhouse]

Hello AP,

I am interested in your statistics, the results of which you summarize, saying that from "1886 until 1889, the rate of such murderous attacks remained exactly the same, averaging about 17 such attacks for those four years."

Can you provide the data, i.e. the specific number of murders for those years? The "average" is less useful, since if there were zero murders in 1887, and 34 in 1888, one might say the average number of murders for those two years was 17.

RH

[Simon Wood]

Hi AP,

Yes, you understand perfectly. There was no such person as Jack the Ripper; no knuckle-dragging psychopath [Jewish or otherwise] or top-hatted doctor toting a Gladstone bag roaming the streets of Whitechapel. Put serial killers out of your mind. JtR was a carefully-crafted official invention to explain something very different that was going on at the time.

And we are starting to close in on that "something very different".

Care to join?

Regards,

Simon

[Cap'n Jack]

I think part of your premise here, Simon, if I understand correctly - which depends upon how much good quality whisky I have imbibed - is that the person, the serial killer, we now know as Jack the Ripper never in fact existed?
And that such reports as we discuss now are nowt but the feckless indigestion of flatulent and frustrated senior police officers staring at the long glass of retirement, and wishing they had something in that glass to ease the pain of 'nothing' in view... and it is at this point that they get their imagination mixed up with their abilities to solve a simple crime.
Well, my kick off for a revolutionary 2010, is to state quite firmly that I agree with me, and I agree with you; and believe it or not the statistics also agree with this revolutionary premise of non-existance.
Let me explain.
Some five or six years ago I undertook the massive task of researching the actual statistics of such murders and attacks in the East End of London of which we speak here for the years from 1886 until 1889; and again believe it or not I was the first person on this planet ever to do that. Up till that moment in time everything the researchers and writers were saying was pure hearsay and a lot of wishful thinking.
For what the statistics showed was that in those years, 1886 until 1889, the rate of such murderous attacks remained exactly the same, averaging about 17 such attacks for those four years.
Now I pondered at the time, and I still ponder now, for if truly a serial killer had arrived slap bang in such a small area of statistics in 1888 and murdered from 5 to 8 women in that year then the statistics should have revealed that, and one would have expected to have seen a dramatic rise in the statistics for that year... but not a blip.
I would suggest two options are available from the statistics.
Firstly... Jack the Ripper was never there, and he killed nobody.
Secondly... Jack the Ripper was murdering women throughout those four years.
Take your pick.
But don't pick and mix!

[Simon Wood]

Hi Phil,

Well done. Short, sharp and to the point, unlike 121 years of Ripperology.

Let's hope 2010 marks a turning point.

Regards,

Simon

[Natalie Severn]

Thanks Phil.You really have summarised the difficulties so well here.
Best
Norma

[Cap'n Jack]

Nicely said and done, Phil, a grand summation of impoverished events.