Frederick Abberline

[Observer]

As per my post in #49, Warren was supposedly very clear that Juwes didn't mean Jews. It does, however, seem to confirm that the word was written as Juwes - would folks agree?

Supposition, of course, but I think Warren may well have seen a Masonic interpretation - he was a Freemason. Probably for the reasons in the link in my earlier post https://kpoulin1.wordpress.com/2009/...he-word-juwes/

What do you think he interpreted having seen the links provided?

I'm pleased you used the word supposedly. I don't believe Warren saw a Masonic connection in the word Juwes.

[Observer]

"others criticized Warren's hasty erasure of a potential clue, before it could be photographed. It was, after all, too late to stop the writing on the wall becoming common knowledge. Warren himself soon issued a statement that the word Juwes did not mean Jews in any known language, (earning the personal thanks of the chief Rabbi)".

Warren's attempt in my opinion to diffuse the situation nothing more. I still believe he actually realised that Juwes was a mi-spelling of the word Jews.

[Pcdunn]

Hi, MysterySinger,

There are a lot of links on the Net about the J-names and the story of "The Three Ruffians".
This search on "jubela jubela jubelum" has sites reflecting the Masonic viewpoint, and some referring to the GSG:

jubela jubelo jubelum

[Observer]

And it was Observer who mentioned a hush up first.

In sarcasm yes

[MysterySinger]

One

http://freemasonrywatch.org/jacktheripper.html

Another

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=R4kdCAAAQBAJ&pg=PT117&lpg=PT117&dq=jubela+jubelo+jubelum+meaning&source=bl&ots=prJArMZHuF&sig=rOHZqMH2s0IL2tfV5jIGgWCVl9Q&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiW1KXI9frJAhXKVxQKHRreDec4ChDoAQgnMAI#v=onepage&q=jubela%20jubelo%20jubelum%20meaning&f=false

And Goulston Street may not have been so random?

http://www.masonic-lodge-of-education.com/letter-g.html

[MysterySinger]

In sarcasm yes

Ah yes but there's many a true word spoken in jest.

[Observer]

It doesn't matter whether or not it was written by JTR - the connection to the Graffito was made before the words were wiped off.

You've lost me here. Lets suppose it wasn't written by JTR, who on Earth in the early hours of that September morning, in Goulston Street, 100 yards or so from one of the worst streets in London, namely Dorset Street, would make a reference to the Masonic order? In my opinion it's a mis-spelling, providing of course, as Gut has implied, the actual word as written was Juwes.

[Observer]

Ah yes but there's many a true word spoken in jest.

Not in this instance

[MysterySinger]

Hi, MysterySinger,

There are a lot of links on the Net about the J-names and the story of "The Three Ruffians".
This search on "jubela jubela jubelum" has sites reflecting the Masonic viewpoint, and some referring to the GSG:

jubela jubelo jubelum

Thanks Pat. Unfortunately, the more I look at these, the more "links" I'm inferring given the symbolism therein. I think I'd better stop looking at these for the time being.

[Observer]

And Goulston Street may not have been so random?
http://www.masonic-lodge-of-education.com/letter-g.html

Come on, pull the other one.

[Observer]

Hi Mysterysinger

After a basic search, I now believe it likely that the word Juwes, to mean Jubela Jubelo and Jubelum, has it's origins as a result of the Whitechapel atrocities. An early urban myth. Find a reference pre 1888 whereby Juwes was a collective name for Jubela, Jubelo, Jubelum, and I'd be more convinced.

[Pierre]

Hi Mysterysinger

After a basic search, I now believe it likely that the word Juwes, to mean Jubela Jubelo and Jubelum, has it's origins as a result of the Whitechapel atrocities. An early urban myth. Find a reference pre 1888 whereby Juwes was a collective name for Jubela, Jubelo, Jubelum, and I'd be more convinced.

Hi,

I am sorry you have come to believe that. It is wrong.

Regards Pierre

[Elamarna]

Hi,

I am sorry you have come to believe that. It is wrong.

Regards Pierre

My Dear Pierre,

So you have data to back this up I assume.

yes or no please

[Pierre]

My Dear Pierre,

So you have data to back this up I assume.

yes or no please

Yes.

Regards, Pierre

[nicole]

Hi all

May I suggest that BEFORE Pierre hijacks this thread, ignore his comments unless he has something to back up his nonsense.

Nicole