What's your profile for Jack?

[Tom_Wescott]

Was Stride a prostitute?

I'm not fully convinced Liz Stride was soliciting the night she died...where is the evidence she was even an occasional?

I'll quote from one of my Stride essays that's published here and everyone is welcome to read...

In Chief Inspector Donald Swanson’s lengthy report of Oct. 19th, he states, ‘The body was identified as that of Elizabeth Stride, a prostitute, & it may be shortly stated that the enquiry into her history did not disclose the slightest pretext for a motive on behalf of friends or associates or anybody who had known her.’

The above is from a summary report prepared from police reports after more than two weeks of investigation. Basically, after all of her associates were spoken to it was concluded that Stride was a prostitute. She was seen with multiple men on the night of her death, usually around establishments that serve alcohol. Let's put the pieces together.

Also, in the Daily News, a friend of Stride's indicated she was a prostitute.

I have argued that evidence is lacking regarding Liz and her purported solicitation. I have subsequently suggested that it be suspended until we get a clearer picture.

Hi Lynn, Good Michael, Bad Michael, et al...I hope this clears it up.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[The Good Michael]

Hi Lynn, Good Michael, Bad Michael, et al...I hope this clears it up.

Tom,

Clears it up? It will take a case of Clearasil and laser surgery, and still this acne won't go away. Thanks for trying.

Mike

[lynn cates]

up to you

Hello Damaso. Thanks.

As I've stated in most of my essays, I leave it for the reader to decide.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

simple

Hello Michael.

". . . the resulting answers are simplified. . ."

Thanks. I certainly hope so.

"This may make people feel foolish . . ."

Hopefully not.

". . . though the joke is really on the one who doesn't reveal his/her cards."

Why?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

On prostitution

Hello Tom. Thanks.

Here's my dilemma.

Poster: "Stride was a prostitute."

Me: "Well, she was so considered. But what of the night she died?"

Poster: "Makes no difference. Jack THOUGHT she was soliciting."

Me: "Jack?"

Poster: "Yes, you fool."

Me: "Why Jack?"

Poster: "Because, you dolt, he was the only one who killed prostitutes. And Liz WAS a prostitute."

Cheers.
LC

[GUT]

G'Day Lynn

Here's my dilemma.

Poster: "Stride was a prostitute."

Me: "Well, she was so considered. But what of the night she died?"

Poster: "Makes no difference. Jack THOUGHT she was soliciting."

Me: "Jack?"

Poster: "Yes, you fool."

Me: "Why Jack?"

Poster: "Because, you dolt, he was the only one who killed prostitutes. And Liz WAS a prostitute."

That argument makes sense.

But it doesn't rule out her being a prostitue.

[lynn cates]

right

Hello GUT. Thanks.

Indeed. Yet I have no overweening reason to rule her in.

Cheers.
LC

[The Good Michael]

". . . though the joke is really on the one who doesn't reveal his/her cards."

Why?

Why might one think so?

Mike

[lynn cates]

question

Hello Michael. Thanks.

Yes. That is my question.

Cheers.
LC

[The Good Michael]

Hello Michael. Thanks.

Yes. That is my question.

Cheers.
LC

and what is your answer?

Cheers,

Mike

[lynn cates]

sitting

Hello Michael. Thanks.

But I haven't one. Who knows whom is sitting on something relevant but cares not to divulge?

Cheers.
LC

[Observer]

Another twist another turn

Hello Tom. Thanks.

Here's my dilemma.

Poster: "Stride was a prostitute."

Me: "Well, she was so considered. But what of the night she died?"

Poster: "Makes no difference. Jack THOUGHT she was soliciting."

Me: "Jack?"

Poster: "Yes, you fool."

Me: "Why Jack?"

Poster: "Because, you dolt, he was the only one who killed prostitutes. And Liz WAS a prostitute."

Cheers.
LC

Not quite. Acting in a manner which would suggest she was a prostitute.

[c.d.]

Hello Lynn,

How exactly would Jack know whether or not Liz was soliciting unless he approached her? And once approached, what would prevent Liz from accepting Jack's offer? Even if she had been on a date earlier that evening, we have no evidence that the date was still in progress.

Tom provided evidence that the police considered her to be a prostitute. She is standing by herself late at night. No lint on her skirt and a flower are now moot points. The question is what would she do if approached by Jack with a generous offer for her services?

c.d.

[Observer]

O we're all off to Whitechapel in the green in the green

Hello Lynn,

How exactly would Jack know whether or not Liz was soliciting unless he approached her? And once approached, what would prevent Liz from accepting Jack's offer? Even if she had been on a date earlier that evening, we have no evidence that the date was still in progress.

Tom provided evidence that the police considered her to be a prostitute. She is standing by herself late at night. No lint on her skirt and a flower are now moot points. The question is what would she do if approached by Jack with a generous offer for her services?

c.d.

And make no bones about it Jack was out and about on the night in question. Or was that the Fenian Brotherhood?

Mr Cates recently, when asked to take a vacation from this Forum, remarked that should he do so he hoped upon his return that all talk of Jack the Ripper had subsided. Says it all really. Not only is he unwilling to consider that only one hand, killed Nichol's through to Kelly, at the very least, but that all of us, who believe the above to be the case, should just drift away with our tails between our legs.

[Tom_Wescott]

The police investigation determined that Stride was a prostitute. She was not killed by Michael Kidney. She was observed with various men in the hours prior to her death. She was also observed standing alone on the street. She was killed within an hour, within the same general area, and in the same manner as another prostitute. Both of these women were killed away from Spitalfields but had lived on the same street in Spitalfields and worked in the same two professions since 1881 and 1882 respectively.

The overwhelming weight of the evidence points to them having been killed by the same person or persons. As I've demonstrated in my largely ignored essays is the FACT that the arguments to exclude Stride as fed to us for over 20 years in Ripper books are based on totally erroneous data. The only difference between her murder and Eddowes is the lack of abdominal mutilation, which can certainly be explained by a number of other factors.

Whether or not Stride was killed by someone other than Eddowes' slayer should no longer be a question. But were Stride and Eddowes killed by the same person who killed Nichols and Chapman? And were Nichols and Chapman killed by the same person who killed Smith and Tabram?

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott