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  • What's your profile for Jack?

    Hello Board.
    I'm interested to know, based on your interpretation of the evidence, what simple profile would you create if you were asked by the police of the time and why you chose it. Gut instinct is encouraged.

    Mine is:
    Single white male
    Lives alone and central to the area
    25-35
    Possible physical disfigurement
    Social drinker
    Strong physical build from manual labour
    Works Monday to Friday
    Nocturnal habits

    'Jack' lives alone because it allows him to come and go without arousing suspicion and gives him the privacy he needs pre and post events. Neighbours are not overly suspicious of him, but they may have doubts. People around him are used to his strange hours and habits and put it down to ‘him being a bit funny in the head but harmless’.

    He is comfortable in the areas he knows. He feels a lack of control in areas he does not know.

    Due to his age he doesn't draw attention that an older man might. Older woman may feel a sense of protectiveness towards him as he is perceived as non-threatening and naïve.

    Because of his disfigurement or speech impediment he feels unequal to people around him and fosters a hatred for good looking men and women. He may feel people treat him differently because of how he looks or sounds. He probably avoids as much contact with people as possible.

    He drinks to socialize and scout for potential victims but never drinks to the point of losing control. A pint or two lowers his inhibitions and makes it easier to ‘fit in’ at the pubs.

    Due to poor education, he can only hold down menial jobs. Simple manual labouring has given him a strong physique as evidenced by the depth of the cuts on the victim’s necks. Also being of robust build goes counter to the perceived idea of what Jack should look like in most people minds of the time.

    The victims were killed on Friday and during the weekends. This is his free time. This is his true career. The one thing he feels he is good at and no one can take it away from him. Work provides the money to survive.

    He spends all of his free time thinking about his fantasy and looking for potential victims. He is probably known to some of the local prostitutes. He may even be known to many of the PC’s on their beats and he knows their beats as well as they do. He’s been walking the streets at night for a long time. He has probably been building on his fantasy and refining it for years. He may be part of the landscape and taken for granted. He blends in.

    Anyhoo, I could ramble on for hours. This is some of my mental picture of Jack. No suspects in mind.

    Please share yours.

    Cheers, DTS.

  • #2
    That´s a good first post, Snailkiller! Much of what you say makes total sense. I would, however, think that at the height of the scare, a man with nocturnal rambling habits and being a bit funny in the head would be subjected to suspicion.
    I also think that if he was disfigured and hated good-looking people, then why would he not prey on them, instead of on aging, run-down prostitutes?

    I think we should look for somebody who appeared perfectly normal, and who had a valid reason to be out and about in the late hours of the night and the early hours of the morning.

    Welcome to the boards, by the way!

    The best,
    Fisherman

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    • #3
      This was pretty much everyone's profile for JTR as it comes from the FBI and from so many other profiles....also because it fits Kosminski

      Mike
      huh?

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      • #4
        Hi DTS,
        Welcome to the boards, and a very good first post.
        I would place the killer as slightly older 35-50.
        Most likely worked at one of the local markets, walked with a strange gait, and was not known locally by the prostitutes, he was just working, and possibly living in the area.
        He may have been married, and certainly had access to a refuge that was relatively private.
        Motive ..none , just an uncontrollable urge to rip open , and the women just happened to be there when these periods were intense.
        Of course this is just a speculative hunch, and I know that this is most likely way off the mark....
        Regards Richard.

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        • #5
          Thanks for the welcome everyone

          In response to Fisherman: I think he targeted the easiest available people, (and perhaps the least threatening to him?) drunk or tipsy older prostitutes. I think that when he did get his hands on someone he found attractive then that's where the facial mutilations came in.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Deathtosnails View Post
            Thanks for the welcome everyone

            In response to Fisherman: I think he targeted the easiest available people, (and perhaps the least threatening to him?) drunk or tipsy older prostitutes. I think that when he did get his hands on someone he found attractive then that's where the facial mutilations came in.
            So Kate Eddowes and Mary Kelly, eh? Well, that would depend on what kind of person he judged beautiful. Stride was a beautiful woman, at least by some accounts, and Nichols had rumour of looking a lot younger than her actual age. Poor Chapman remains the odd one out, though one never knows; beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
            But you may of course be right - if he fancied Eddowes and Kelly as lookers! But if he did not dislike Nichols, Chapman and Stride on account of what he perceived as a lack of good looks - then why did he kill them in the first place? Or do you regard the disfigurement as a secondary driving force only?

            The best,
            Fisherman
            Last edited by Fisherman; 04-17-2013, 11:29 AM.

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            • #7
              White male
              25-40 years old
              English
              Local
              Strong/athletic
              Average joe
              Employed
              Single or dominates spouse
              Good communication skills
              Work that facilitates his strength (manual labor)
              Probable knowledge of anatomy
              Possible surgical or at least butchering skill
              Socializes with prostitutes
              Frequents pubs/drinker
              Off work on weekends and holidays
              Possibly employed in position that does Not allow to kill in middle of the month
              Lives or works where he can use as a bolt hole
              Fascinated with the knife and what it can do to flesh
              Probably has previous police record
              Possibly ex military
              Possible history of killing cutting up animals
              No obvious mental disorders-appears normal
              Highly perceptive and intelligent-street smart
              Perhaps to people who know him well he appears to be a bit of a loner and "quirky"
              "Is all that we see or seem
              but a dream within a dream?"

              -Edgar Allan Poe


              "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
              quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

              -Frederick G. Abberline

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              • #8
                I very much agree with your thoughts, Abby and Deathtosnails, although I don't think the killer had any anatomical knowledge, and it was comparatively rare for single men to live completely alone in such an overcrowded district, unless you (DtS) mean he "lived alone" in the sense that he wasn't answerable to a family member, in which case I agree entirely.

                Cheers,
                Ben

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                • #9
                  I think mine might be a little different.

                  White male
                  Mid thirties
                  English
                  Grew up in Whitechapel, but bettered himself out of it.
                  Job that requires some education. Clerk, business owner, priest,
                  Single
                  Dominant and abusive mother, possibly highly religious, possibly a prostitute (possibly died just before the first murder)
                  Seemingly meek in manner, quiet, possibly pious, goes unnoticed at work and in social situations.
                  Easily dominated by people in power
                  Possible hypochondriac, convinced of some defect
                  Compulsive about the acquisition of knowledge. Reads incessantly, any number of subjects. May attend lectures.
                  Fascinated by knives.
                  May concentrate on the plight of poor children.
                  No history of arrests, appearance of model citizen
                  Is hesitant about marriage and family
                  Knows the streets of Whitechapel
                  Familiar with the basic habits of local prostitutes through observation
                  He would not stand out talking to a prostitute, but he may well be awkward while doing it.

                  I think this was about control and revenge. I think he specifically targeted the organs of generation because he believed that he was somehow damaged by a prostitute, either by being born to one, or fearing an inability to procreate through having sex with one. I think he targeted women who reminded him of his mother in some way. I think that the only way he ever felt control was committing these mission oriented murders. I think in his regular life he would have exhibited more confidence for a few days after each murder. I think he was sterilizing them, I think he was silencing them. I think all his anatomical knowledge came from books, and had little practical experience with cutting flesh before the murders began. I think he felt that his advancement that got him out of the neighborhood was either unearned, or he felt like it could never compensate for the circumstances of his birth.
                  The early bird might get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

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                  • #10
                    unknown male
                    unknown motive
                    Last edited by Mr Lucky; 04-17-2013, 03:55 PM.

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                    • #11
                      He was 27
                      Height 5'9"
                      Weight, approx: 145
                      Occupation: Policeman
                      Father: a carnival clown who took his make-up and left when the boy was young
                      Mother: Remarried to a Sepoy soldier, causing even more emotional problems
                      Afflictions: Near-sighted, pock-marked face
                      Education: Tutored by M. Druitt
                      Reasons for hating women: strong allergies to make-up in much the same way people allergic to cats can hate them irrationally
                      Reads pornographic pamphlets that were sold to him by a tall man with a massive mustache in order to get himself riled up
                      Lives with his uncle Lem who has a nail polish fetish
                      Hobbies: Graffiti and cooking...owns a lot of aprons
                      Criminal background: Owned the first Mr. Potato head, this is where he learned his anatomy as well
                      huh?

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                      • #12
                        Wow, Mike, that´s very detailed. I thought you were not into profiling much ...?

                        Fisherman

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Errata View Post
                          Compulsive about the acquisition of knowledge. Reads incessantly, any number of subjects. May attend lectures.
                          I've assumed this about him myself, especially 'attends lectures', although I don't know why I believe that. Why do you think so?
                          - Ginger

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Ginger View Post
                            I've assumed this about him myself, especially 'attends lectures', although I don't know why I believe that. Why do you think so?
                            A couple reasons I guess. I don't think he had any training in either butchery or medicine, yet he could immediately locate the uterus, which is pretty well hidden. If he wasn't in the trade, then he picked up the knowledge in his spare time, which means books and lectures. Not even attending autopsies would give him that kind of familiarity, since at autopsies you didn't sit that close to the corpse. There seems to be a vibe about these crimes, which is the least scientific term I can come up with. Yes there is rage, yes there is clearly pathology in a psychological sense. But there is a certain level of detachment for certain parts of the crime, a sort of distaste. Not disgust, which would manifest as more humiliation of the corpse, but distaste. Like someone with airs. I see it as someone who thinks they are better than these women. Not because they are women, because that has certain hallmarks, and not because they are prostitutes, but there is an element of that. It's not as personal as it should be if it were not at least in part an academic exercise.

                            Basically, I know a bunch of people who have bettered themselves out of bad situations. And they like to think it was hard work and skill, and it was. But a lot of it is luck, and I've seen these people when they confront people who are what they would be if they hadn't gotten out, and it's not happy. They don't like being reminded they came from the gutter, or that luck played a big part of getting them out. They distance themselves, they start speaking a little clinically, they are embarrassed, but they also get angry, shut down a little... These crimes just remind me of that. He's not angry at his victims. He's angry at how they make him feel about his past. These crimes seem conflicted to me because he's clearly in a rage, and it's clearly transference, but he pulls back. It's like once he shreds the throat and rips open the abdomen the rage is spent, and it gets clinical and a little dainty. In my experience people that conflicted have a conflicted life.
                            The early bird might get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by The Good Michael View Post
                              He was 27
                              Height 5'9"
                              Weight, approx: 145
                              Occupation: Policeman
                              Father: a carnival clown who took his make-up and left when the boy was young
                              Mother: Remarried to a Sepoy soldier, causing even more emotional problems
                              Afflictions: Near-sighted, pock-marked face
                              Education: Tutored by M. Druitt
                              Reasons for hating women: strong allergies to make-up in much the same way people allergic to cats can hate them irrationally
                              Reads pornographic pamphlets that were sold to him by a tall man with a massive mustache in order to get himself riled up
                              Lives with his uncle Lem who has a nail polish fetish
                              Hobbies: Graffiti and cooking...owns a lot of aprons
                              Criminal background: Owned the first Mr. Potato head, this is where he learned his anatomy as well

                              That's the silliest post I've seen!

                              Everyone here knows Mr Potato Head didn't go on sale until Xmas 1889!



                              I can understand profiles may seem like unscientific guesswork but I believe the gut instinct of a Detective or policeman is something tangible.

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