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Originally posted by miakaal4 View PostIt could be a terrible mistake to assume the killer was an idiot, or a half hysterical lunatic. If we assume he has average intelligence then wouldn't he plan somewhat before the crime? Decide on an area to use, possible bolt holes or escape routes. Would he not wear clothes that would either blend in or put him beyond bobby on the beat suspicion? If I were him, I would dress and look completely different every time. So witness statements look confused. I think he was a clever bastard. Probably very clever. That's why he ain't been buckled.
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It could be a terrible mistake to assume the killer was an idiot, or a half hysterical lunatic. If we assume he has average intelligence then wouldn't he plan somewhat before the crime? Decide on an area to use, possible bolt holes or escape routes. Would he not wear clothes that would either blend in or put him beyond bobby on the beat suspicion? If I were him, I would dress and look completely different every time. So witness statements look confused. I think he was a clever bastard. Probably very clever. That's why he ain't been buckled.
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Originally posted by Joshua Rogan View Post"With a view of testing the accuracy and honesty of Packer's testimony, the detectives obtained an order to view the body of the woman murdered in Mitre square, and took Packer to see it, leaving him under the impression that they were taking him to see the Berner street victim. On seeing the body he at once declared that it was not the woman for whom the grapes had been bought, and not a bit like her....
"This afternoon Matthew Packer, the fruiterer, of 44 Berner street, referred to in the above narrative, visited the mortuary of St. George's in the East, and identified the body of Elizabeth Stride as that of the woman for whom the grapes were purchased on the night of the murder"
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The problem is, we only have Le Grand's word that he did this. How far should we trust Le Grand's word?
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"With a view of testing the accuracy and honesty of Packer's testimony, the detectives obtained an order to view the body of the woman murdered in Mitre square, and took Packer to see it, leaving him under the impression that they were taking him to see the Berner street victim. On seeing the body he at once declared that it was not the woman for whom the grapes had been bought, and not a bit like her....
"This afternoon Matthew Packer, the fruiterer, of 44 Berner street, referred to in the above narrative, visited the mortuary of St. George's in the East, and identified the body of Elizabeth Stride as that of the woman for whom the grapes were purchased on the night of the murder"
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Originally posted by Scott Nelson View Post
I thought one of the witnesses from that night did view the bodies of Stride and Eddowes. I can't remember which.
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Originally posted by Wickerman View Post
You didn't provide a source for that fictitious exchange.
Schwartz was not shown two different corpse's.
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Originally posted by c.d. View PostI like drinking beer so I drank some last night. Didn't really need any other reason.
c.d.
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Originally posted by miakaal4 View PostInteresting topic, motivation. Tells us lots if we can find truth. I know many sneer at the thought of the Free Mason involvement, so leaving that aside, has anyone got any ideas about what JtR was trying to do or say when it comes to the mutilations? I mean with Nichols it's possible to argue it was a mindless frenzy. But as we move up to Kelly there seems to be a definite increase in knife work and a motivation behind it. Why take the uterus? Why were Kelly's organs and body parts placed in the shape of a cross, or at compass points?
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I like drinking beer so I drank some last night. Didn't really need any other reason.
c.d.
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Originally posted by NotBlamedForNothing View PostSame as for Matthew Packer.
After viewing both, Schwartz successfully identified the first as the woman he had seen on Berner St.
"To be honest, we doubts as to the truthfulness of your story, but you've successfully identified the woman found dead on Berner street last night", said the attending police constable.
"I was not codding, dear bobby", replied a sardonic Israel Schwartz, with rolling eyes.
"I remember her well", he continued, "she's the one that squealed a bit".
Schwartz was not shown two different corpse's.
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Same as for Matthew Packer.
After viewing both, Schwartz successfully identified the first as the woman he had seen on Berner St.
"To be honest, we doubts as to the truthfulness of your story, but you've successfully identified the woman found dead on Berner street last night", said the attending police constable.
"I was not codding, dear bobby", replied a sardonic Israel Schwartz, with rolling eyes.
"I remember her well", he continued, "she's the one that squealed a bit".
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Originally posted by NotBlamedForNothing View PostA plausible scenario, but one that must include this...
CI Swanson: Upon being taken to the mortuary Schwartz identified the body as that of the woman he had seen...
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Interesting topic, motivation. Tells us lots if we can find truth. I know many sneer at the thought of the Free Mason involvement, so leaving that aside, has anyone got any ideas about what JtR was trying to do or say when it comes to the mutilations? I mean with Nichols it's possible to argue it was a mindless frenzy. But as we move up to Kelly there seems to be a definite increase in knife work and a motivation behind it. Why take the uterus? Why were Kelly's organs and body parts placed in the shape of a cross, or at compass points?
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