Pub or Street?

[NotBlamedForNothing]

Seriously doubt he was standing around the square.

I seriously doubt Catherine knocked on his door, so did he come by her?

Thank you Dr Shoe ..... I think?

The whole case reeks to high heaven of a cover up.

Reckon the medical profession and top police had a pretty good idea what was going on.

Look at who turned up at Mitre Square that morning. Especially Major Henry Smith.

Conspiracy theorist.

[NotBlamedForNothing]

Interesting idea, Curious Cat.

Of course I mean undetected in terms of watching police patrol patterns. The killer wouldn't want to be caught loitering or draw attention to themselves as a suspect.

To work within a patrol beat, one would have to know 2 general things:

• Average beat duration (Ex: Watkins, 14 minutes)
• Min and max time, above and below (Ex: Watkins, +/- 1 minute)

Plus two specific things for a particular night:

• Clock time when crossing a specific point
• Direction (clockwise or anti-clockwise)

The first question for this case would be; Could Sequiera have learnt these 4 points from his surgery at 34 Jewry Street, for either Watkins beat, Harvey's beat, or preferably both?

The second question is; Assuming yes for at least Watkins, how then does Sequiera then come across Eddowes, without loitering around the square?

Third question: How does Sequiera keep a track of the beat timings, if he has to go searching for a prostitute? With a timepiece, perhaps?

PC Holland was patrolling along Aldgate High Street when the alarm was raised. He initially went to Mitre Square with PC Harvey to see the body. This would be between about 1:45am and 1:48am. PC Holland then goes to call Dr Sequiera, living just round the corner at Jewry Street. He's clearly well known for PC Holland to know exactly where to go to fetch him to the scene. So add another minute or two for PC Holland to arrive, knock on Dr Sequiera's door and for Sequiera to respond. This takes us to about 1:50am. By 1:55am Dr Sequiera is dressed and at the scene.

Fully dressed? Or just partially dressed? Unfortunately we'll never know as no-one describes his attire, but he has the total sum of about 3 minutes to get ready before leaving his house and going with PC Holland to Mitre Square.

Does he use that time to get dressed or clean himself up? Was he in bed when called or was he awake? If he was woken that would add to the response time and shorten the time he has to get ready. If he was still awake - and therefore already dressed - what is he doing in those 3 minutes rather than just putting on a coat and leaving straight away?

The problem with this is that you're not taking into account the time from returning from the square to the surgery.
Watkins entered the square at 1:44.
If Sequiera cuts it very fine, and leaves the body at 1:42, he is back by 1:44.
That gives him 6 minutes to get out of clothes, wash hands and, and put on fresh clothes - the approximate murder + mutilation timespan.
If he leaves at a more reasonable 1:40, he has 8 minutes to do the above - even I could do it in that time.

Very likely that Sequiera was asleep when Holland called. Otherwise, Holland would have realized Sequiera had changed from one set of outside clothes, to another, and become suspicious.

In the case of the Berner St murder, assistant to Dr Blackwell, Ed Johnston, tells us that he arrived at the scene 3 or 4 minutes before the doctor, who, unlike Johnston, was asleep when the PC arrives at the surgery/house. So that 5 minute gap from Holland arriving at Sequiera's surgery, to Sequiera being in the square, looks about right.

I do find it interesting that when asked at the inquest if the killer would be covered in blood from carrying out the mutilations on Catherine Eddowes he responds with, 'Not necessarily.' Not possibly, or hard to say, but 'Not necessarily.' Is that because he knew? A knowing nod to himself that no-one else would get?

If he knew, why not give a more definite answer?

If only PC Holland had been at the inquest. May have had some extra information to work with.

Sequiera appeared on day 2, as did Lawende and Levy.
Do you suppose either or both of the later two, saw anyone there that looked a bit familiar?

Are you a bit suspicious of this:

Mr. Crawford: Unless the jury wish it, I do not think further particulars should be given as to the appearance of this man.

[Curious Cat]

Curious Cat, I'll admit, your post #7 didn't make much sense to me, but your follow up in #15 is a revelation. Dr Sequiera as a suspect?! Can you link him into any of the other crime scenes? Surgical knowledge.....

Pure speculation on my part. At the moment this is only in connection with Catherine Eddowes. I wasn't actually aware of Dr Sequiera until after I had inexplicably been drawn to where his house once stood in Jewry Street last year. Since then it's been a case of joining the dots, whether I'm joining them in the right order, though, is another thing. Not sure how it would be possible to track back over his movements in regard to the other victims, though I would say that as a suspect for Catherine this, for me, rules him out for Elizabeth Stride. The observance of the patrol patterns would've taken priority, only leaving the house when sure of the police positions. He was, by his own evidence, very familiar with the locality.

There was also a post (which naturally I can't find right now) about the package containing the kidney sent to Lusk. The post office it was deposited at was just round the corner from Fenchurch Street Station, which in turn was a short walk from Jewry Street where Dr Sequiera lived.

Again, pure speculation.

[DJA]

Thank you Dr Shoe ..... I think?

The whole case reeks to high heaven of a cover up.

Reckon the medical profession and top police had a pretty good idea what was going on.

Look at who turned up at Mitre Square that morning. Especially Major Henry Smith.

[Al Bundy's Eyes]

Sequiera was LSA at London Hospital and was "well acquainted with the locality and the position of the lamps in the square".

Given the timing of the murder,Jack seems to be well aware of the police beat.

Seriously doubt he was standing around the square.

Anyone else reckon he had medical knowledge and lived in Mitre Square!

I do like the way Sutton keeps fitting in to varied aspects of the case. It's almost like he's a viable suspect. It's a wonder no one has gone to the History Channel with a new suspect premise. He's a better fit than some of the shoe horns.

[Al Bundy's Eyes]

Curious Cat, I'll admit, your post #7 didn't make much sense to me, but your follow up in #15 is a revelation. Dr Sequiera as a suspect?! Can you link him into any of the other crime scenes? Surgical knowledge.....

[DJA]

I do find it interesting that when asked at the inquest if the killer would be covered in blood from carrying out the mutilations on Catherine Eddowes he responds with, 'Not necessarily.' Not possibly, or hard to say, but 'Not necessarily.' Is that because he knew? A knowing nod to himself that no-one else would get?

Sequiera was LSA at London Hospital and was "well acquainted with the locality and the position of the lamps in the square".

Given the timing of the murder,Jack seems to be well aware of the police beat.

Seriously doubt he was standing around the square.

Anyone else reckon he had medical knowledge and lived in Mitre Square!

[Curious Cat]

Great work!
Except that Jack does want to be detected, and approached, by prostitutes.
This occurs, but he continually turns them away until the timing is right.
To avoid the charge of loitering with intent, he has to be engaged in a valid activity, and looking respectable helps too.

So what is the valid activity?
Well, he has a parcel with him, or at least, that's what it looks like from a distance, or in darkness.
Actually, it's a bundle of copies of a publication, which he hands out to interested passers-by.

So what is the publication?

Of course I mean undetected in terms of watching police patrol patterns. The killer wouldn't want to be caught loitering or draw attention to themselves as a suspect.

PC Holland was patrolling along Aldgate High Street when the alarm was raised. He initially went to Mitre Square with PC Harvey to see the body. This would be between about 1:45am and 1:48am. PC Holland then goes to call Dr Sequiera, living just round the corner at Jewry Street. He's clearly well known for PC Holland to know exactly where to go to fetch him to the scene. So add another minute or two for PC Holland to arrive, knock on Dr Sequiera's door and for Sequiera to respond. This takes us to about 1:50am. By 1:55am Dr Sequiera is dressed and at the scene.

Fully dressed? Or just partially dressed? Unfortunately we'll never know as no-one describes his attire, but he has the total sum of about 3 minutes to get ready before leaving his house and going with PC Holland to Mitre Square.

Does he use that time to get dressed or clean himself up? Was he in bed when called or was he awake? If he was woken that would add to the response time and shorten the time he has to get ready. If he was still awake - and therefore already dressed - what is he doing in those 3 minutes rather than just putting on a coat and leaving straight away?

I do find it interesting that when asked at the inquest if the killer would be covered in blood from carrying out the mutilations on Catherine Eddowes he responds with, 'Not necessarily.' Not possibly, or hard to say, but 'Not necessarily.' Is that because he knew? A knowing nod to himself that no-one else would get?

If only PC Holland had been at the inquest. May have had some extra information to work with.

[Abby Normal]

I wonder if this would have a bearing the type of killer he was? i.e. if he was a Ted Bundy type killer did he meet them in the pub and lure them out with him or if he was more a lunatic type did he approach them on the street, where conversation was less important?

I suspect he was more of the former rather than the latter personally.

Tristan

yes agree. but remember bundy also approached women out in the street, and also still used a ruse to get them where he wanted them. I seriously doubt the ripper was the lunatic type that just attacked women on the street with little to no conversation/rusing beforehand.

and if blotchy was her killer, we have evidence that he probably met her in a pub and rused her all the way back to her place.

[Losmandris]

hi los
probably both. he probably started off in the pub drinking and then took his hunt to the streets after they closed. I think the only solid evidence that he may have met one in the pub is with stride based on the evidence of best and gardner. and perhaps Kelly if blotchy was her killer.

I wonder if this would have a bearing the type of killer he was? i.e. if he was a Ted Bundy type killer did he meet them in the pub and lure them out with him or if he was more a lunatic type did he approach them on the street, where conversation was less important?

I suspect he was more of the former rather than the latter personally.

Tristan

[DJA]

Hi AbNorm,

Do you think he was drunk when operating on Eddowes?

[Abby Normal]

Where did JtR approach his victims? In the pub on the street? Did he buy them a few drinks first or did he simply proposition them on the street? Is there any evidence in favour of one over the other?

Tristan

hi los
probably both. he probably started off in the pub drinking and then took his hunt to the streets after they closed. I think the only solid evidence that he may have met one in the pub is with stride based on the evidence of best and gardner. and perhaps Kelly if blotchy was her killer.

[NotBlamedForNothing]

[DJA]

[NotBlamedForNothing]

Intriguing.

There is a location at which it is possible to keep an eye on the corners of Mitre Street, Duke Street and a section of Aldgate High Street in between without being detected.

Here is the Google street view you get at this point...

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.51...4!8i8192?hl=en

Going back and forth 180 degrees there is an unbroken view from the corner of Mitre Street/Leadenhall Street into the top east section of Jewry Street.

This includes the space once occupied by the dwelling of Dr Sequeira.

Looking from an upper floor window someone could have viewed passing figures around that location without detection.



Of course, this could just be a coincidence. Merely an observation.

Great work!
Except that Jack does want to be detected, and approached, by prostitutes.
This occurs, but he continually turns them away until the timing is right.
To avoid the charge of loitering with intent, he has to be engaged in a valid activity, and looking respectable helps too.

So what is the valid activity?
Well, he has a parcel with him, or at least, that's what it looks like from a distance, or in darkness.
Actually, it's a bundle of copies of a publication, which he hands out to interested passers-by.

So what is the publication?