Mary Jane Violence

[packers stem]

As to specifics, there are very few practical choices when it comes to the removal of abdominal organs in a public place; you're pretty much limited to kidneys, uterus and bladder. Their removal, from the killer's perspective, amounted to little more than tugging at the organ with one hand to stretch any attachments - making them easier to cut - then slicing through the attachments to free up the organ.

Pancreas, spleen , liver ,heart, small intestine ,large intestine, stomach... to the uneducated in anatomy ,all prizes

Don't forget cutting underneath the ribcage to remove the kidney that could have been nothing more than a growth

[packers stem]

Oh come on. Indulge us, it is a thread about Mary Jane Kelly after all. It would be good to get back on track.

Tristan

Because the photos and the Bond report contradict other facts .......

Anyone who describes the body as naked, not once but twice, is best ignored in my opinion so I can't see any discussion progressing anywhere

[jmenges]

What absolute rubbish!

Next you will be telling us how to play the flute ...... blow in one end and move your fingers around a lot.

Engage in intelligent and spirited debate while avoiding insults and mockery.
Please.

JM

[DJA]

Engage in intelligent and spirited debate while avoiding insults and mockery.
Please.

JM

Given the amount of information on these boards,I genuinely did not know where to start at 12.31am.

After opening the abdominal cavity and removing part of the descending and traverse colon,one can reach up behind the pancreas and deal with the membrane that hides the kidney.
Once getting through that,the vein,artery and ureter need to be cut before the kidney can be removed.
All this in the darkest corner of Mitre Square.

That's just the kidney.

I really did not believe Sam's post was intelligent or spirited ..... unless you are referring to single malt

[Sam Flynn]

What absolute rubbish. Next you will be telling us how to play the flute ...... blow in one end and move your fingers around a lot. .

How do you think butchers cut out organs?

To use your analogy, what the Ripper did was not a virtuoso performance, but little more than the act of a novice getting a couple of crude, raspy notes from a flute.

[Trevor Marriott]

Will the medically unversed Ed Gingrich do? He cut an opening of seven inches into his wifes abdomen in their own house and extracted all her inner organs through it. Including her left kidney.

yes but he had the time and the light available to him and perhaps a text book or two to help him/.

https://www.trevormarriott.co.uk

[DJA]

How do you think butchers cut out organs?

To use your analogy, the Ripper did was not a virtuoso performance, but little more than the act of a novice getting a couple of crude, raspy notes from a flute.

Firstly,it was not my intention to insult you. Doubt you dobbed me in. Thought you prolly had me on ignore by now

Mockery on the other hand .....

Honestly,with my health problems,I'd be very happy with Sutton guiding my treatments.

I have actually worked in an abattoir and know ..... from experience.
The firm was KR Darling Downs in outer Brisbane.
Beef and pigs.

[Sam Flynn]

yes but he had the time and the light available to him and perhaps a text book or two to help him/.

www.trevormarriott.co.uk

Given time, light and textbooks, I'd rather hope that anyone could remove a kidney without concurrently stabbing the pancreas, liver and spleen.

[DJA]

No doubt the pancreas was cut during the left kidney removal.

[Fisherman]

yes but he had the time and the light available to him and perhaps a text book or two to help him/.

www.trevormarriott.co.uk

Maybe you did not read what I wrote, Trevor? Gingrich took out all inner organs via a seven inch hole in his wifes abdomen. Once he had shoved his hand through the hole, he worked by feel, not by vision. And none of the organs was a light bulb. Plus he did what he did double quick too, during a sudden rage.

In comparison, what the Ripper did to Eddowes was a walk in the park.

[Losmandris]

But that doesn't explain Sam, and this is for Tristan also, why they ...again with that word "specifically", sought out people who did have surgical knowledge... after only Annies murder. You see Im not contending that there was surgical grade skills on all the evisceration murderss, there clearly wasn't. Marys murderer required a knife, that's it. But there was with Annie.

Going out on a limb here and please feel free to shoot me down but could it have been a bit of professional jealousy/pride in that only a person with surgical skill could remove organs, that there is no way a average person would be able to do something like that?

Tristan

[Losmandris]

Given the amount of information on these boards,I genuinely did not know where to start at 12.31am.

After opening the abdominal cavity and removing part of the descending and traverse colon,one can reach up behind the pancreas and deal with the membrane that hides the kidney.
Once getting through that,the vein,artery and ureter need to be cut before the kidney can be removed.
All this in the darkest corner of Mitre Square.

That's just the kidney.

I really did not believe Sam's post was intelligent or spirited ..... unless you are referring to single malt

Maybe if you were specifically looking to remove the kidney? Not to say some one in a frenzy couldn't of got his hands in there and pulled something out. Wasn't like he was particularly precise in his cuts and did not appear to follow any surgical procedures?

Tristan

[DJA]

Going out on a limb here and please feel free to shoot me down but could it have been a bit of professional jealousy/pride in that only a person with surgical skill could remove organs, that there is no way a average person would be able to do something like that?

Tristan

Yep.

Arrogance would possibly be a better word.

Given the evidence before them at Mitre Square,a cover up is likely.

Lack of blood spray,the length of colon,kidney extraction,the expert diversion around the navel ......

When lies and incompetence are rampant,it's difficult to differentiate.

[DJA]

Maybe if you were specifically looking to remove the kidney? Not to say some one in a frenzy couldn't of got his hands in there and pulled something out. Wasn't like he was particularly precise in his cuts and did not appear to follow any surgical procedures?

Tristan

He was following quite strict surgical procedures,rather like he taught them for a living.

Also explains the GSG chalk.

[DJA]

Couldn't help but notice, a person named Edward GINGERICH was a paranoid schizophrenic who killed his wife in 1993.

He was so ill that he was found guilty of involuntary manslaughter and released 5 years and one day after the event.