Mary Jane Violence

[packers stem]

Just watched a you tube video on replacing the clutch on my car ..... off I go

I'm well aware of the waxworks ,they were facially extremely lifelike... very much as the pall mall Gazette reporter commented as the jury inspected the 'body' before the Kelly inquest.

though anatomically they couldn't replicate..... more jigsaw

Maybe Bowyer viewed one, he also discovered a dead body

Oh ,and Sutcliffe failed to put this incredible knowledge he'd gained into action ,wonder why ....

[Fisherman]

Fish, however, DID. And I never said Sutcliffe acted on the waxworks, I said he was fascinated by them. And they DID show with exactitude where the organs were situated. And that was what my post was about - how we have an explanation at hand for how the victorians may have known the positions of the various organs inside the female body. Therefore, there never was any mystery about how the killer could have been aware of this. It is an invention, entirely. End of.

[packers stem]

Fish, however, DID. And I never said Sutcliffe acted on the waxworks, I said he was fascinated by them. And they DID show with exactitude where the organs were situated. And that was what my post was about - how we have an explanation at hand for how the victorians may have known the positions of the various organs inside the female body. Therefore, there never was any mystery about how the killer could have been aware of this. It is an invention, entirely. End of.

I'm just stripping my engine down to change the clutch .It's dark but I can do it .... I read a Hayes manual once .

End of

[Joshua Rogan]

I'm just stripping my engine down to change the clutch .It's dark but I can do it .... I read a Hayes manual once .

End of

You don't need a Haynes manual to strip down a car. Not if it's never going to drive again.

[Michael W Richards]

And in Chapmans case, removing the uterus and cutting the bladder open. Let´s remember that too, least we want to be called cherrypicking. Furthermore, the killer did not remove Eddowes uterus, he removed part of it: "The womb was cut through horizontally, leaving a stump of three quarters of an inch."

Before we make a call of superior skill and anatomical/surgical insights, it is important that we have the whole picture.

Since it was determined that the killer of Annie cut specifically in order to obtain the specific organ taken completely, (as per Phillips), the complete uterus was the goal..any part of the the bladder wasn't. There is no indication or opinion on the wounds of Kate that her killer specifically sought either the kidney or the partial uterus. Why these things are done are vastly more relevant than what was done. Anyone, anyone, can cut up or into flesh, cut out organs, slice up thighs, slash faces, cut noses,...all the wounds that are seen throughout the so-called "series". Why they do so is the only important question. How skillfully they accomplish their goals in another.

[Karl]

Hi Cogidubnus

This is an interesting point and I don't think anyone has ever commented on it before. When medical students, pathologists or surgeons open an abdomen using a midline incision they always skirt round the umbilicus to the right. Even if they are naturally left handed it is always to the right. The reason that the umbilicus is avoided is that it is a very tough and fibrous structure. When it comes to sewing up at the end of the operation or autopsy it is very difficult to stitch through the umbilical tissues. Of course Jack wasn't going to sew up afterwards but it seems to have been embedded somewhere in his psyche.

I remember once assisting a surgeon who decided to go round the umbilicus to the left just for the Hell of it. There was a shocked silence in the theatre and the scrub nurse nearly walked out. It is regarded as terribly bad form and bad luck to deviate round it to the left. As far as I know that holds true the world over. So where had he learned to do that?

Incidentally, as far as I know, butchers never bother, they go right down the midline since they are not going to be sewing up afterwards.

Prosector

(Dr Wynne Weston Davies,a senior surgeon).

I've seen this mentioned before, in different threads. However, I do not find this a convincing argument for surgical knowledge or skill. When you cut something which has different degrees of resistance, the knife will follow the path of least resistance. Meaning even rank amateurs would have cut around the umbilicus, as a matter of ease.

[mpriestnall]

I've seen this mentioned before, in different threads. However, I do not find this a convincing argument for surgical knowledge or skill. When you cut something which has different degrees of resistance, the knife will follow the path of least resistance. Meaning even rank amateurs would have cut around the umbilicus, as a matter of ease.

If Jack cut around the umbilicus to the right consistently multiple times and not around to the left, the less chance the direction of the cut was incidental and therefore the stronger the argument for surgical knowledge or skill.

[DJA]

I've seen this mentioned before, in different threads. However, I do not find this a convincing argument for surgical knowledge or skill. When you cut something which has different degrees of resistance, the knife will follow the path of least resistance. Meaning even rank amateurs would have cut around the umbilicus, as a matter of ease.

It is about sewing up,not cutting.

Never used a scalpel,have you!

[packers stem]

You don't need a Haynes manual to strip down a car. Not if it's never going to drive again.

I would ....
wouldn't know where to begin
especially in darkness

[Karl]

It is about sewing up,not cutting.

Never used a scalpel,have you!

Nevertheless, the knife will follow the path of least resistance.

[Karl]

If Jack cut around the umbilicus to the right consistently multiple times and not around to the left, the less chance the direction of the cut was incidental and therefore the stronger the argument for surgical knowledge or skill.

A right-handed person would go to the right (or the victim's left) fairly consistently, as it is easier to cut outwards than inwards.

[Scott Nelson]

Could Henry Maxwell Reily have been that enraged with Kelly so as to inflict that much damage to her body?

https://www.jtrforums.com/showthread.php?t=33991

[Al Bundy's Eyes]

Could Henry Maxwell Reily have been that enraged with Kelly so as to inflict that much damage to her body?

www.jtrforums.com/showthread.php?t=33991

Thanks for the link. Think I'll save myself the £7 privilege to hear yet another theory / work of fiction masquerading as fact.

If anyone does read it, it would be good to hear an impartial review at some point.

[Al Bundy's Eyes]

Could Henry Maxwell Reily have been that enraged with Kelly so as to inflict that much damage to her body?

www.jtrforums.com/showthread.php?t=33991

Just been reading this over on JtR. It's Pierre's long awaited book, isn't it? Read Kristina's dialogue, that's the one and only Pierre aka Chris. She did say on Twitter the book was due out around May. I'm tempted, but I'll wait until someone else reads it first.

[MrBarnett]

Just been reading this over on JtR. It's Pierre's long awaited book, isn't it? Read Kristina's dialogue, that's the one and only Pierre aka Chris. She did say on Twitter the book was due out around May. I'm tempted, but I'll wait until someone else reads it first.

Duh! Why didn’t that occur to me? I had some interraction with Pierre aka Chris on the Waterstones’ site.

Well spotted!