The **** are the men.

[Elamarna]

So the cuts and the writing were important.

Regards, Pierre

No, the cuts were incidental, no meaning other than the killers going further than in previous murders, especially if disturbed on Stride. And it is still debatable if she was a victim of the killer, or if he was disturbed.
The writing had nothing to do with the murders.

Steve

[Pierre]

Dear all,

Thanks for the replies.

The truth is we could debate the GSG forever and still end up back where we started.

One point to note though is the idea that the killer would not hang around unneccessarily writing nonsense on a wall when his life depended on it.

But it seems that he did exactly that, in a tighter spot at Mitre Square when he inflicted the totally unneccessary cuts on Catherine's face, eyelids nicked through etc. If you consider that, then his hanging around the wall writing the message perhaps was not that dangerous if he felt that in a moment he could throw the chalk away and walk off unconnected to the graffiti. Or quickly enter one of the nearby doors? And didn't one of Kosminski's relatives allegedly live in one?

regards,

So the cuts and the writing were important.

Regards, Pierre

[Pierre]

Dear all,

Watching Ripper Street last night got me thinking. In the programme when the anti semitic graffiti appeared around Whitechapel, the words used to describe the Jews were all derogatory and offensive.

With apologies for using those words, they were saying things like "Kike" and "Yids" etc to describe them.

Linking this with Martin Fido's view that the graffiti was just a disgruntled customer moaning that a Jewish trader wouldn't give him a refund or some other slight and it was just by chance that the piece of apron appeared at that point, wouldn't an angry Eastender expressing their anger use one of the words above instead of the polite "Jews?"

If we assume that a truly disgruntled customer wouldn't hold back and would write "Those Y*d ba****ds" or "Robbing K***s" instead of a nice polite "The Jews," does that lend support to the idea that the graffiti was put there by somebody else?

Ultimately leading to the question of whether it could have been put there by the Ripper?

Any thoughts?

regards,

Good point.

Regards, Pierre

[Michael W Richards]

Tecs,

I think one thing can be said about the face value of the writing on the wall, without resorting to attempts at understanding the context of the message, or why it was written.....it was not written by a killer seeking to claim victims that evening. There is no reference at all to murders, or kills, and both women who were killed were not Jewish.

So.....the person who wrote the message seems to be interested in making a statement about Jews, and then the word "blame" then seems to figure prominently in the messages intent. Avoidance of blame, perhaps.

Earlier that night a group of immigrant Jews, anarchists, and not well thought of by the police or the gentiles in the neighborhood, had a murder committed on their property which they were actively seeking to avoid blame for. Isnt it possible that this is the context?

Cheers

[Errata]

Hi friend,I think we can all agree that this will be debated for another hundred years or so.We are all trying to make sense out of some one who is quite obviously not thinking in a rational way to say the least.

Everyone thinks in a rational way. The trick is to know the operating conditions. Just like computers. Computers always do what you ask them to do. The trick is knowing what you asked them to do.

[Tecs]

Hi friend,I think we can all agree that this will be debated for another hundred years or so.We are all trying to make sense out of some one who is quite obviously not thinking in a rational way to say the least.

Thanks Pinkfriend,

That was the point I made on another thread, namely it's pointless trying to assess a killer's motives with reference to our own (generally) rational thoughts. If somebody was unstable to the point that they genuinely believed that there were green rabbits on the surface of Pluto planning an invasion of earth and he became convinced that the only way to prevent it happening was to murder five women, then that was a real motive to him.

It doesn't matter how crazy it sounds to the rest of us, it was real to him and the proof is that the earth didn't get invaded so his plan worked.

We can't look for rational motives where there aren't any, or at least which don't look like it to us.

regards,

[pinkmoon]

Dear all,

Thanks for the replies.

The truth is we could debate the GSG forever and still end up back where we started.

One point to note though is the idea that the killer would not hang around unneccessarily writing nonsense on a wall when his life depended on it.

But it seems that he did exactly that, in a tighter spot at Mitre Square when he inflicted the totally unneccessary cuts on Catherine's face, eyelids nicked through etc. If you consider that, then his hanging around the wall writing the message perhaps was not that dangerous if he felt that in a moment he could throw the chalk away and walk off unconnected to the graffiti. Or quickly enter one of the nearby doors? And didn't one of Kosminski's relatives allegedly live in one?

regards,

Hi friend,I think we can all agree that this will be debated for another hundred years or so.We are all trying to make sense out of some one who is quite obviously not thinking in a rational way to say the least.

[Tecs]

Dear all,

Thanks for the replies.

The truth is we could debate the GSG forever and still end up back where we started.

One point to note though is the idea that the killer would not hang around unneccessarily writing nonsense on a wall when his life depended on it.

But it seems that he did exactly that, in a tighter spot at Mitre Square when he inflicted the totally unneccessary cuts on Catherine's face, eyelids nicked through etc. If you consider that, then his hanging around the wall writing the message perhaps was not that dangerous if he felt that in a moment he could throw the chalk away and walk off unconnected to the graffiti. Or quickly enter one of the nearby doors? And didn't one of Kosminski's relatives allegedly live in one?

regards,

[John Wheat]

An interesting post Damaso Marte. The Torso killer may well have wished for the infamy of Jack the Ripper but on the other hand he went to great lengths to make sure the majority of his victims were never identified and thus he would be less likely to be identified.

Cheers John

[Damaso Marte]

I read it as a reference to the torso killings. The torso killer must have gone to his grave with a deep and abiding hatred for Jack the Ripper, who stole all of his thunder and fame while being less technically proficient!

[Tom_Wescott]

Tom: Ale under the railway arch? Not only do I not understand that particular idiomatic expression, I don't understand it so hard that my head hurts now.

A Ripperological way of saying 'water under the bridge'.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Errata]

After just committing two murders in a very short space of time our killer decides to write a message however he makes absolutely no reference to what he's just down.Our killer has gone to the trouble of taking some chalk with him so why not leave a message that can leave not doubt it is from him and write the message in a place where everyone can see it.

London is one third chalk. A chalk stone snatched off the ground would have sufficed.

Tom: Ale under the railway arch? Not only do I not understand that particular idiomatic expression, I don't understand it so hard that my head hurts now.

[pinkmoon]

After just committing two murders in a very short space of time our killer decides to write a message however he makes absolutely no reference to what he's just down.Our killer has gone to the trouble of taking some chalk with him so why not leave a message that can leave not doubt it is from him and write the message in a place where everyone can see it.

[Bridewell]

Swanson.

I stand corrected. (Shouldn't rely on memory at my age!).

[Steve S]

I can only refer back to older members of my family,who, without intending any real slur, always referred to "Jew-Boys"............