The GSG - Did Jack write it? POLL

[Michael W Richards]

Instead of the somewhat vague and convoluted text of the GSG, why not just write "Berner Street wasn't me", or something equally pithy and direct?

People spoke differently then Sam, and some still use double negatives to make a positive point at times.

[Michael W Richards]

Ok lets put it another way , did Eddows killer write the GSG ? in your opinion.

Yes, IMHO.

[Michael W Richards]

Do you think the rag and GSG was dropped in Goulston Street just before Long found it, or was it there earlier but not seen?
Because, not many people knew there had been a murder in Berner Street when Eddowes was being murdered.
But, the killer could have come back out on the streets to write the message once he had discovered the Berner Street murder.

I believe Long's "it was not there" is abundantly clear on that point Jon. Direct question, direct answer. I think it (they) was (were) placed there between 2:20 and 10 to 3. I think he may have dropped off the apron sections contents first, not too far from Gouslton.

[FISHY1118]

Therefor its just possible he left the apron to deliberately draw attention to the GSG,otherwise how else would people know it was written by the killer .

[FISHY1118]

What reason did Eddowes killer have for leaving the apron at Goulston st ? . Was it to carry the organs away in it ? [what then did he carry the organs in from there ?] or when he finished wiping his hands all the way from mitre square and decided to dispose it there and then,when he could have wiped them clean also at mitre square .

[Jon Guy]

No, Im suggesting the author used the apron section to declare himself the Mitre Square killer, and the GSG content thus differentiating himself from the Berner Street murderer(s).

Do you think the rag and GSG was dropped in Goulston Street just before Long found it, or was it there earlier but not seen?
Because, not many people knew there had been a murder in Berner Street when Eddowes was being murdered.
But, the killer could have come back out on the streets to write the message once he had discovered the Berner Street murder.

[FISHY1118]

Ok lets put it another way , did Eddows killer write the GSG ? in your opinion.

[Sam Flynn]

No, Im suggesting the author used the apron section to declare himself the Mitre Square killer, and the GSG content thus differentiating himself from the Berner Street murderer(s).

Instead of the somewhat vague and convoluted text of the GSG, why not just write "Berner Street wasn't me", or something equally pithy and direct?

[Michael W Richards]

So Michael, are you suggesting that Eddows killer used the piece of apron to draw attention to the GSG yes/no ?

No, Im suggesting the author used the apron section to declare himself the Mitre Square killer, and the GSG content thus differentiating himself from the Berner Street murderer(s).

[Michael W Richards]

If Eddowes' killer wasn't the same as Stride's, it's by no means certain that he'd have known much about the Berner Street murder.

Since it was found in the East End near 3am, he could have easily caught wind of something that happened before 1am on Berner Street Sam. All he had to know is that the Jews claimed "another murder" was committed earlier that night, before a second murder had occurred that night,...making the inclusion of "another" a suggestion that the anarchist Jews were evading blame for the act, and instead blaming a killer at large prior to that night,... one who oddly doesn't just cut women once, making the "another" either just wild speculation or intentional misdirection.

[FISHY1118]

So Michael, are you suggesting that Eddows killer used the piece of apron to draw attention to the GSG yes/no ?

[Sam Flynn]

If Eddowes' killer wasn't the same as Stride's, it's by no means certain that he'd have known much about the Berner Street murder.

[Michael W Richards]

I don't claim that the killer of Liz Stride wrote the message Sam. I don't believe one man killed both women. I do know that the killer of Kate Eddowes was there, he left the apron, so Im suggesting he wrote the GSG to blame the Jews for what happened on their property that night. he claimed responsibility for Kate by virtue of the cloth. Not trying to clear himself for Stride, just showing his anti-Semitic attitudes and his belief that the Jews were to blame for Strides death.

[Sam Flynn]

No, it doesn't overtly Sam, but in the context of that evening, it could. Might be the equivalent of "The Men at the International Club will not be blamed without good reason".

If the killer wrote the graffito and was responsible for the murder of Liz Stride, then what grounds would he have for believing that the members of the International Workingmen's club would or wouldn't be blamed for... for what, precisely? I think it's just as tenuous to try to link the wording of the GSG to the IWMEC members as it is to link it to Eddowes giving her name as "Nothing" at the police station.

[Michael W Richards]

The difficulty with that is that the graffito doesn't mention anything specific, and could easily be read to mean that the Jews (in general) won't take responsibility for anything (in general).

No, it doesn't overtly Sam, but in the context of that evening, it could. Might be the equivalent of "The Men at the International Club will not be blamed without good reason". It is specific in terms of ethnicity...why would we assume its just a general gripe? Its pretty clear that the message was written sometime that night, it would not have lasted without notice throughout the day, and on that night...contextually...Jews were blaming someone other than themselves for a murder on their own property.

I think in context its possible translation can have literal meaning, not some general slur.