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  • #76
    Originally posted by Sam Flynn View Post
    So why would his attention have been drawn to something as boring as an apparent document-separator on the fiche? Something doesn't quite add up.
    perhaps he was like whats this blank thing doing here? what is it?
    "Is all that we see or seem
    but a dream within a dream?"

    -Edgar Allan Poe


    "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
    quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

    -Frederick G. Abberline

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    • #77
      Originally posted by Sam Flynn View Post
      So why would his attention have been drawn to something as boring as an apparent document-separator on the fiche? Something doesn't quite add up.
      Like Ginger, I read it quite undramatically and up-adding: he looked through the fiche, then, since those are pretty awful to work on, moved to the actual files. Noticing the letter while leafing through the files, he either remembered or went back and checked that the front page of the folder was on the fiche, but the letter itself not.

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Ginger View Post


        To me, it sounds like he found the folder while examining the physical files, then subsequently confirmed that it was on the microfiche.

        If it *was* the other way around, I'll note that microfiche isn't always the most faithful reproduction. If I saw an apparently blank sheet in an interesting archive, I'd probably ask to see the physical archive, just to be sure that there wasn't faint writing, etc, that didn't reproduce.
        Has anyone checked the microfiche archive to see if it's there? That should be easy enough to confirm if it is or is not.

        - Jeff

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        • #79
          Originally posted by Iconoclast View Post


          "For deacdes the original 25 September letter was missing from the official files, which had a copy only of the facsimile. In 1987 the original was returned to Scotland Yard anonymously. It arrived in a manilla envelope postmarked Croydon, in south London. It was still attached to the original docket by the Victorian equivalent of modern transparent sticky tape. The docket was market with a number 2 and was accompanied with its original envelope, also attached to its docket, marked number 3. Clearly the historical records have been missing an important document. Where was number 1 in the series? And what was it? We can reveal for the first time the following letter, discovered late in 1988 by Peter McClelland ..."

          [/I]
          Hi all

          What are your thoughts about what document “docket number 1” could have been (if it wasn’t the Sep 17 letter)?

          Regards

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          • #80
            Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post

            perhaps he was like whats this blank thing doing here? what is it?
            Forgive me if it's been established already, but why was he so interested in the archive anyway?
            Kind regards, Sam Flynn

            "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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            • #81
              Love how this thread has been hijacked because the OP prevaricated instead of just posting his theory.

              There really is no need for the fanfare, either post your theory or don't. These attempts to "generate buzz" for your theory are worthless and only end up sidetracked.

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              • #82
                Hi
                Must agree with Harry, I would respectfully ask the poster to cut the fanfare, and produce his theory , so that it can be discussed.
                Much appreciated Richard.

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Harry D View Post
                  Love how this thread has been hijacked because the OP prevaricated instead of just posting his theory.

                  There really is no need for the fanfare, either post your theory or don't. These attempts to "generate buzz" for your theory are worthless and only end up sidetracked.
                  yup. hes pulling a classic pierre!
                  "Is all that we see or seem
                  but a dream within a dream?"

                  -Edgar Allan Poe


                  "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
                  quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

                  -Frederick G. Abberline

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Sam Flynn View Post

                    Forgive me if it's been established already, but why was he so interested in the archive anyway?
                    I don't know sam. aren't a lot of people interest in the ripper archives?
                    "Is all that we see or seem
                    but a dream within a dream?"

                    -Edgar Allan Poe


                    "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
                    quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

                    -Frederick G. Abberline

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post

                      I don't know sam. aren't a lot of people interest in the ripper archives?
                      Maybe, but surely not on a casual basis, and not to the extent of going to the Public Records Office to trawl through the archives. There must have been a reason why he went to the trouble of doing so, and I'd be interested to know if that reason has been established.
                      ​​​
                      Kind regards, Sam Flynn

                      "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post

                        yup. hes pulling a classic pierre!
                        Regards

                        Herlock




                        “ Herlock is the cleverest man that I’ve ever met.” - Stephen Hawking.
                        “ I wish that I could have achieved half as much as Herlock.”- Neil Armstrong.
                        “ What a voice Herlock has.” - Luciano Pavarotti.
                        “ I wish that I could dump Harry for Herlock.” - Meghan Markle.
                        “ I know that it’s not good to be jealous but I just can’t help it.” - John Holmes.

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by Sam Flynn View Post
                          Maybe, but surely not on a casual basis, and not to the extent of going to the Public Records Office to trawl through the archives. There must have been a reason why he went to the trouble of doing so, and I'd be interested to know if that reason has been established.
                          ​​​
                          Why “must” there be a reason? Plenty of non-professional researchers look up stuff, out of interest, curiosity, happenstance.

                          as I recall his story, he lived or worked close to the NA, was a bit of a history buff and had the habit of going into the NA for mostly genealogy. 1988 being the Ripper centennial, he thought to have a look at the files.

                          not very mysterious, but you could look up his explanation, it’s here or on jtrforums.

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by phantom View Post

                            Hi all

                            What are your thoughts about what document “docket number 1” could have been (if it wasn’t the Sep 17 letter)?
                            Cover letter/explanatory telegram from Tom Bulling or Central News?

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by Kattrup View Post

                              Why “must” there be a reason? Plenty of non-professional researchers look up stuff, out of interest, curiosity, happenstance.
                              Very few people would go to the National Archive and plough through hundreds of microfiche images on a whim. It's just as well for us, then, that someone found this ground-breaking letter on just such a visit.
                              as I recall his story, he lived or worked close to the NA, was a bit of a history buff and had the habit of going into the NA for mostly genealogy. 1988 being the Ripper centennial, he thought to have a look at the files.
                              Thanks. That's all you needed to say, really, and I could have done without that "Why must there be a reason?" bit. There are usually reasons for most things.
                              Kind regards, Sam Flynn

                              "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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                              • #90
                                Im not so quick to dismiss this letter. perhaps the ripper wrote it and the police basically ignored, so he wrote to the press agency next to get his attention.
                                Instead of appearing to crib from dear boss and from hell perhaps its because its the same man who wrote all-hence the similarities. I also find the winters coming letter of 1896 very interesting too, and similar.

                                also, I worked at the university archives in college, and when customers came in and examined old records, they came into a special room, where they could not have any kind of parcel, notebooks, folders etc. (for various reasons including theft and tampering). had to put on gloves and were watched by staff.

                                I imagine this would be the same kind of thing in this case no? how could he have snuck it in? does anyone know the procedure? the microfiche thing also kind of bolsters his story.

                                "Is all that we see or seem
                                but a dream within a dream?"

                                -Edgar Allan Poe


                                "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
                                quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

                                -Frederick G. Abberline

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