If the 'Dear Boss' letter is a hoax...

[Pierre]

[QUOTE=John G;393819]

Yes, that was mainly because I lost interest. Frankly, as bizarre conspiracy theories go, this just about takes the biscuit. However, what's actually more disconcerting is that I honestly think you genuinely believe in it!

Sources disappear and sources are misunderstood. Sometimes we get some indications from sources that there was a primary source but the secondary sources are not very reliable. This is history. It is not a court room.

[John G]

[QUOTE=Pierre;393817]

So you do not manage to contribute to the discussion, since you have lost track.

By the way, have you seen the source on which we can construct this type of hypothesis?

What source?

[Elamarna]

By the way, have you seen the source on which we can construct this type of hypothesis?

I see Pierre, it seems you are claiming another unseen source, or am i misunderstanding your reply to John G



Steve

[Elamarna]

And since we now know that you think it is a ridiculous idea, you may stop destroying this thread with your belittling comments.

Pierre

David is not destroying a thread, the idea you propose is, at this point unbacked by any data.

It again appears to be a personal viewpoint, not the scientific approach you harp on about!

You will of course try and defend this by claiming it is an hypothesis based on data available to yourself.

Therefore out of fairness to you, could you:

1. Please inform us which unpublished letter you are talking about?

2. If unable to do 1. please inform us what data source you are using to reach this line of reasoning?

3. Provide data source to back your view that the dear boss letter was a construct to cover up the non publication of the 1st claimed letter.


4. How would an increased police presence in the Minories that night have prevented murders which were in roads not directly connected said Minories?

I never believed that I would say this; however the ideas published become more outlandish everyday, and are on par with some of the more unbelieved suggestions made here over the years, those that name famous painters, writers or those which suggest Black Magic.

This is just not serious work!


regrettably

steve

[John G]

[QUOTE=Pierre;393817]

So you do not manage to contribute to the discussion, since you have lost track.

Yes, that was mainly because I lost interest. Frankly, as bizarre conspiracy theories go, this just about takes the biscuit. However, what's actually more disconcerting is that I honestly think you genuinely believe in it!

[David Orsam]

And since we now know that you think it is a ridiculous idea, you may stop destroying this thread with your belittling comments.

I think you will find, Pierre, that this thread was already destroyed in #45.

[Pierre]

[QUOTE=John G;393815]

This is without doubt the most convoluted explanation I've ever seen on Casebook-In fact, I completely lost track of it before reaching the end!

So you do not manage to contribute to the discussion, since you have lost track.

By the way, have you seen the source on which we can construct this type of hypothesis?

[Pierre]

Congratulations Pierre. I didn't think you could dream up a more ridiculous idea than those you've already presented here but you've managed it with this one. I'm starting to come round to agreeing with those who think this is all one big joke.

And since we now know that you think it is a ridiculous idea, you may stop destroying this thread with your belittling comments.

[John G]

[QUOTE=Pierre;393809]

Hi Robert,

you wrote about the Dear Boss letter:



My hypothesis is that they got a letter from the killer before the murders on Stride and Eddowes. But since they could not know if the writer was the killer - the murders had not been committed yet - they did not take the communication seriously.

When the murders was committed, they understood that the letter was written by the killer. But since the letter also contained a warning, which could have saved the victims from being murdered if taken seriously, they could not publish the letter in itīs original so everyone could see that they had simply neglected the warning.

Therefore they wrote a new letter were they kept the name Jack the Ripper and changed the contents so it would have a high news value. By doing this no one would know that the Central News Agency recieved a letter with a warning and with the right time and place of the murders before the murders were committed.

If the Central News Agency had given the letter to the police and they had taken it seriously, they could have increased the police surveillance in the Minories that night and Stride and Eddowes might have been saved.

Regards, Pierre

This is without doubt the most convoluted explanation I've ever seen on Casebook-In fact, I completely lost track of it before reaching the end!

[David Orsam]

Therefore they wrote a new letter were they kept the name Jack the Ripper and changed the contents so it would have a high news value. By doing this no one would know that the Central News Agency recieved a letter with a warning and with the right time and place of the murders before the murders were committed.

Congratulations Pierre. I didn't think you could dream up a more ridiculous idea than those you've already presented here but you've managed it with this one. I'm starting to come round to agreeing with those who think this is all one big joke.

[Abby Normal]

oh God.... here we go

[Pierre]

[QUOTE=Robert St Devil;392866]

Hi Robert,

you wrote about the Dear Boss letter:

...it arrives conveniently in time for the double murders with specific instructions that practically come true: hold this back for a few days because i have work to do, it seemingly instructs.

hoax or not, how did moore and bulling* know a murder was going to happen around the time that their letter is received?

My hypothesis is that they got a letter from the killer before the murders on Stride and Eddowes. But since they could not know if the writer was the killer - the murders had not been committed yet - they did not take the communication seriously.

When the murders were committed, they understood that the letter was written by the killer. But since the letter also contained a warning, which could have saved the victims from being murdered if taken seriously, they could not publish the letter in itīs original so everyone could see that they had simply neglected the warning.

Therefore they wrote a new letter were they kept the name Jack the Ripper and changed the contents so it would have a high news value. By doing this no one would know that the Central News Agency recieved a letter with a warning and with the right time and place of the murders before the murders were committed.

If the Central News Agency had given the letter to the police and they had taken it seriously, they could have increased the police surveillance in the Minories that night and Stride and Eddowes might have been saved.

Regards, Pierre

[Pierre]

Hello Shaggyrand.

Pulling that hoax successfully and outselling the competition would occur only when DEAR BOSS is published in the newspaper. Without the murders, it would have sat in the hoax pile, and been forgotten. Until the murders happen, Central News had no reason to take it serious or distribute it thru its channels.

Why invent Jack the Ripper to increase news sales if there was the chance that the hoax may have never made it past the ,trash heap,?

Hi Robert,

I have noticed that you are trying to discuss this issue. I will get back here later and give you some feedback.

Best wishes, Pierre

[sleekviper]

Well, he speaks of the police as being below him; how can they catch him. If the writer is placing the police out of his league, then what group or person would deserve his use of the word Boss? Going to a single paper is not going to work, they would fall into doubt as creating it to get the scoop on other papers. That could halt it being known. If it is fake, someone won't know crimes are about to happen, so having one paper pop up with this letter would be highly questioned. Not really a much more clear way to get something done. It worked, stuck with a name, a victim type, and Stride. That is the letter in addition to the postcard. Whoever wrote it didn't live under a rock; that P.S. says "curse it", using the word "curse" to show emotion is from a play around 1885. As far as I have found, that was where it started.

[Robert St Devil]

Hi sleekviper.

I think its more exclusive than that. The writer refers to the police in the letter, and I don,t imagine that he was hoping postal inspectors would hold it back. Central News is really the best start if you,re looking for a boss.

If I'm Jack the Ripper, and I write Dear Boss, and I have no knowledge of the news industry, the only reason that j would ha e to send it to Central News Agency is I saw their name mentioned with my killings in a newspaper that I read. Other than that, there shouldn,t be much of a reason that I would know them publicly since they have no newspaper of their own.
You've probably noticed it on some press reports - paragraphs that lead off with "Central News Agency reports...". I,m not certain but I don,t think The Times or The Star or some of the other major papers used them,.