If the 'Dear Boss' letter is a hoax...

[Elamarna]

Hi Steve



Which is a shame.



True, but again, and another nice coincidence, Detectives Halse, Outram and Marriott (!!) were situated opposite the Minories when Eddowes was murdered in pursuant to instructions received at the Central office in Old Jewry.

Posts crossed Jon,

all you say is true, but because he claims it needed police IN the Minories, not near and Ludwig is not his man, i see the claim for the letter as being very poor in this instances.

Steve l

[Elamarna]

No, my point was that there was some action in the Minories.

And regarding the Minories and the Double Event, the Minories is situated just across the road from Mitre Square.

Jon

While that is true and MS is only across the main road, Pierre was specific about the Minories, he actually says the specific area in his post.
for me it is just too wide of what is being claimed, although what you say is of course true

Steve

[Jon Guy]

Hi Steve

Point accepted Jon, and it is a nice coincidence, however Ludwig is not, I feel safe to say, Pierre's man.

Which is a shame.

In addition, Pierre posted that if the police had extra police surveillance in the Miniories on the night of the double event they may have caught their killer, which is unlikely as no killings happened there that night.

True, but again, and another nice coincidence, Detectives Halse, Outram and Marriott (!!) were situated opposite the Minories when Eddowes was murdered in pursuant to instructions received at the Central office in Old Jewry.

[John G]

Could his man be Charles Cutbush, a senior police officer, whose nephew Thomas was suspected of being the Ripper?

Interestingly, Charles Cutbush committed suicide in 1896, and was rumoured to have suffered from delusions and depression years before his suicide. See: http://casebook.org/ripper_media/boo...s.cutbush.html

[Jon Guy]

But what's your point? That Ludwig wrote the minories letter?

No, my point was that there was some action in the Minories.

And regarding the Minories and the Double Event, the Minories is situated just across the road from Mitre Square.

[Elamarna]

[QUOTE=Jon Guy;393882]

Hi Steve

Just saying ...even though there was no murder, the writer could have been planning to murder in the Minories, and there was Charles Ludwig who pulled a knife on a prostitute in a court running off the Minories. He also gave his address as 1 Minories.

Point accepted Jon, and it is a nice coincidence, however Ludwig is not, I feel safe to say, Pierre's man.

In addition, Pierre posted that if the police had extra police surveillance in the Miniories on the night of the double event they may have caught their killer, which is unlikely as no killings happened there that night.


Steve

[Abby Normal]

But he was carrying a knife and other implements. Although, tools of his trade, he was still carrying them.



All very possibly applicable to the Ripper





Well, we know he had an alibi for the Double Event.

But what's your point? That Ludwig wrote the minories letter?

[Jon Guy]

But he also shortly pulled a knife on a kid at a coffe stall after an argument and these incidents are clearly spur of the moment, .

But he was carrying a knife and other implements. Although, tools of his trade, he was still carrying them.

due to drunkenness, being in a bad mood and perhaps mental issued.
.

All very possibly applicable to the Ripper

And of course he wasn't the ripper.

Well, we know he had an alibi for the Double Event.

[Abby Normal]

[QUOTE=Jon Guy;393882]

Hi Steve

Just saying ...even though there was no murder, the writer could have been planning to murder in the Minories, and there was Charles Ludwig who pulled a knife on a prostitute in a court running off the Minories. He also gave his address as 1 Minories.

But he also shortly pulled a knife on a kid at a coffe stall after an argument and these incidents are clearly spur of the moment, due to drunkenness, being in a bad mood and perhaps mental issued. Not planned. And of course he wasn't the ripper.

[Jon Guy]

[QUOTE=Elamarna;393828]

Pierre
that has very limited value as you well know as an historian.

Of course the big issue, apart from the problems with the date of evidence and the fact no year is on the letter, is that NO action occurred in the Minories.

Hi Steve

Just saying ...even though there was no murder, the writer could have been planning to murder in the Minories, and there was Charles Ludwig who pulled a knife on a prostitute in a court running off the Minories. He also gave his address as 1 Minories.

[GUT]

Actually he relies on mentioning the word, but rarely gives details and even rarer the actual source unless they can be found on this site

s

I don't recall him providing a single piece of information that wasn't on this site, and early on I could even tell what section he had read most recently among the dissertations, then I stopped giving a rats.

[Elamarna]

Careful Steve you used the word that the great one relies on.

Actually he relies on mentioning the word, but rarely gives details and even rarer the actual source unless they can be found on this site

s

[GUT]

John

The claim is that the killer was renting rooms near the Strand, this was posted a few months ago.
It allowed the killer to carry out the Whitehall murder, speak to John Arnold about the Pinchin street case and was a second bolt hole, he also having one in Whitechapel.

Of course no data was provided to back these claims.

Careful Steve you used the word that the great one relies on.

[GUT]

[QUOTE=Elamarna;393848]

My dear Pierre

May one respectfully ask why the claims are still being made that cannot be sustained about this letter.

The letter is wholly without provenance and therefore of no historical value.


Steve

Because it's what Pierre does.

[John G]

John

The claim is that the killer was renting rooms near the Strand, this was posted a few months ago.
It allowed the killer to carry out the Whitehall murder, speak to John Arnold about the Pinchin street case and was a second bolt hole, he also having one in Whitechapel.

Of course no data was provided to back these claims.

Thanks Steve. Obviously another ridiculously convoluted theory. Frankly, using this approach you could argue in favour of virtually anything.

It seems Pierre is a niche historian, and supporting data doesn't seem to be very important to this particular "academic" discipline-just wild, unsupported theories!