Dr Barnardo is the killer...?

[Ben]

Quick addendum to my latest:

I think John's general observation; that "coincidences make fools of us all" is a good one. I just felt it worth pointing out that some of those factors were even useless in isolation, i.e. without "coinciding" them with anything else.

[Dan Norder]

I think some of you are missing John's point completely... or getting the point but failing to realize he handed it to you on purpose.

[Mike Covell]

So we are saying now that Dr B is JTR because he knew the movers and shakers of Whitechapel?

I say we revise the suspect list to include,
Abberline,
Dew,
etc etc!!

[joelhall]

plus youd be hard pushed to find a doctor that didnt have a gladstone bag.

[Ben]

Hi,

I'm not even sure why "foreign-looking" bolsters a suspect's candidacy, since most witnesses didn't describe a foreign-looking man. Other factors such as "medical man", "black bag" and an acquaintance with Prince Albert Victor may also count for nothing if the real killer met none of that criteria.

Best regards,
Ben

[joelhall]

nothing. from his photograph he doesnt appear 'foreign-looking' certainly.

next youll tell us he was covered in skinhead tattoos and had copies of guns & ammo under his bed

i joke of course but this is all really clutching at straws.

joel

[Bob Hinton]

A bit slow here!

What has any of the above got to do with Dr Barnado being a suspect for Jack the Ripper?

[Johnr]

If Dr B Wasn't On the Suspect List He should Have Been

Greetings All,
As Horace said: " Coincidence makes fools of us all ".
So, let's look at some of the co-incidings which vault Dr Barnardo to the head of the "obviously should have been on the list" category:

[1]He was foreign-looking (Spanish and German Jewish ancestry (and some Catholic Irish);
[2]He was familiar with the East End parishes of London, having worked there for about 20 years by 1888;
[3]He was a medical man who carried a black bag and talked to prostitutes in lodging houses in Flower and Dean Street;
[4]His major work was "rescuing" the progeny of street women and their more anonymous partners.Could this have provided a motive?;
[5]He had known Sir Robert Anderson and his family since he ( Dr B.) was employed by Sir Robert's father in Dublin.Sir Robert was later on the Board of Barnardo's Homes;
[6] After World war One, A Miss Anne Macnaghten acted as co-governor of Barnardo's girls home at Barkingside (Dr B. was dead by then);
[7]Barnardo created work for his ex-"street arabs" as bootblacks: these were
called the " Union Jack Brigade" they were placed in lodgings called by the locals " Jack's Happy Homes ";
[8] Prince Albert Victor, the Duke of Clarence was a frequent speaker at the Working Lads Institute in Whitechapel, when Dr Barnardo sent parties of boys or girls to Canada]
[9] Barnardo himself exploited the Ripper scare to prise much-needed funds from wealthy aristocrats and brewery tycoons;
[10] He publicly stated that he had spoken to one Ripper victim at her lodging house the night before she was murdered.
If Dr Barnardo wasnot on the police JTR suspects list, he should have been.
**Don't forget what Horace said. JOHN RUFFELS.
[5]

[Johnr]

If Dr B Wasn't On the Suspect List He should Have Been

Greetings All,
As Horace said: " Coincidence makes fools of us all ".
So, let's look at some of the co-incidings which vault Dr Barnardo to the head of the "obviously should have been on the list" category:

[1]He was foreign-looking (Spanish and German Jewish ancestry (and some Catholic Irish);
[2]He was familiar with the East End parishes of London, having worked there for about 20 years by 1888;
[3]He was a medical man who carried a black bag and talked to prostitutes in lodging houses in Flower and Dean Street;
[4]His major work was "rescuing" the progeny of street women and their more anonymous partners.Could this have provided a motive?;
[5]He had known Sir Robert Anderson and his family since he ( Dr B.) was employed by Sir robert's father in Dublin.Sir robert was later on the Board of Barnardo's Homes;
[6] After World war One, A Miss Anne Macnaghten acted as co-governor of Barnardo's girls home at Barkingside (Dr B. was dead by then);
[7]Barnardo created work for his ex-"street arabs" as bootblacks: these were
called the " union Jack Brigade" they were placed in lodgings called by the locals " Jack's Happy Homes ";
[8] Prince Albert Victor, the Duke of Clarence was a frequent speaker at the Working Lads Institute in Whitechapel, when Dr Barnardo sent parties of boys or girls to Canada]
[9] Barnardo himself exploited the Ripper scare to prise much-needed funds from wealthy aristocrats and brewery tycoons;
[10] He publicly stated that he had spoken to one Ripper victim at her lodging house the night before she was murdered.
If Dr Barnardo wasnot on the police JTR suspects list, he should have been.
**Don't forget what Horace said. JOHN RUFFELS.
[5]

[joelhall]

On topic, is there any real argument that Barnardo might have been the killer as what I read here seems a tad weak even by ripperology standards.

Chris Lowe

no.

joel

[Suzi]

Hi again!! Hehe! I can't get anywhere near this pc (or find it half the time !!!)without my specs on!!! That's why I keep mi posh ones upstairs for bed reading!- and have all sorts of 'funky' readers all over the house!! ...Wouldn't to get caught between pairs!!!
Yep know what you mean about the 'respectable' gents and there 'Ello my dear fancy an 'orrible time' little games...Hmmmmmmmmmmm think we may have something here.....Must get on with mi crochet though!!!!

Seriously though- as to Dr B I'm almost totally convinced that Alex/Prophet are backing a non-runner here......but of course we await the great (da da da da da daaaaaaaaaaaa da!) revelation don't we!!!??? !!!

All I can say-having read more about Dr B than is good for a girl over the past few days-I'm sure that he was responsible for many great and good works-that's undeniable!- but I'm not sure I'd have liked him!

Suz xxxxx

Yep sussed the Dublin bit! hehe x

[anna]

Sorry,you may be wondering where the "Irish" comes in....
He was Irish.....born in Dublin.

[anna]

Hi Suzi......
oooops again!!This time I had my glasses on!!!!!
Yep,he sure does look a little "spooky" doesn't he possum!,
But,I still can't go for Dr B...
Mind you,lots of outwardly respectable gentlemen liked "a little of what you fancy does you good"with unfortunate women,but I really can't see this guy amongst them.
Spooky also,that the "Irish" comes in(Mary)Stepney(Liz)studious but with temper when at school(Kate).........all we need is crochet and decorating hats and we're onto a winner!!!
Anna.

[Suzi]

Little Jim

Hi all- If you Google Jim Jarvis there are some interesting links there:-
Jim with the good Doctor (or JTR!)

The Good Doctor!!

Some little mites 'rescued' by Dr B

Suz x

[Suzi]

Hi Anna- Did you mean 1867??? hehehe!!! Shame that Dr B looks a lot more like JTR than is comfortable in that rather disturbing little book cover!!!

Suz xxx

And the Alex/M.Prophet are beginning to meld a tad aren't they!!!