Dr Barnardo is the killer...?

[Suzi]

Henry 8th was a serial killer and quite a few of his ancestors bumped people off without blinking!

Hi Nats- Exactly- It was at his whim that innocent (well mostly!) women died...Trouble is that he was in a position to get away with it!!!..Probably like some these days...an 'exhaulted' position can often cover 'a multitude of sins'...NOT that that extends to The Queen's Physician etc etc ..................................[unless they were Masons of course!!! ]
Suz x

[Suzi]

Hi all-
I really must say that I dont think 'The Twin Threads' are helping your case 'Prophet'...Why the sig AJ?? Is that just another riddle for us to solve? Angelina Jolie???

[The Prophet]

Please refer to other link

Hello all,

Please refer to:

http://forum.casebook.org/showthread...ed=1#post27152

Sorry for the two threads, I was just trying to find the right thread, this one is general stuff, whereas the above link will take you to the right thread which is just about Dr Barnardo as the Ripper in the suspects page etc. Sorry for the confusion.

Regards,
AJ.

[Natalie Severn]

Right on, Sam!

And Bundy was the 'guy next door' to those who knew him.

Graham

Well actually I was just teasing about Henry 8th!
However,Bundy liked to do a lot of things "normal" men do----together with a lot of other things---not at all "normal".
Fact is,he chose young girls and liked sex with them,the ripper did not have sex with his victims. That is one hell of a difference!
BTW Graham,I agree the Ripper probably did look normal,as do many mentally ill people.Fact is he was not normal---by any stretch of the imagination.And thankfully pro rata of the general population there are very few few serial killers.Since these celebs and princes you speak of comprise a tiny percentage of the general population any way,is it surprising there arent too many Marquis De Sades?

[Graham]

See my earlier post, Nats. I don't class genocides or despots as "serial killers", certainly not of the JTR, Bundy, Vacher and Chikatilo (etc) type.

Right on, Sam!

And Bundy was the 'guy next door' to those who knew him.

Graham

[Sam Flynn]

i think the point being made is that those who become famous personalities through their own means, i.e. not due to notoriety or profession, but extra-curricula if you will, have not as far as records go, gone on to become sadistic killers, as their personality type does not match those who do.

e.g. they choose to express themselves and allow their ambitious streak to come out by doing good not evil.

correct?

Indeed. That's a good exposition of what I was trying to get across, Joel.

[Sam Flynn]

Henry 8th was a serial killer and quite a few of his ancestors bumped people off without blinking!

See my earlier post, Nats. I don't class genocides or despots as "serial killers", certainly not of the JTR, Bundy, Vacher and Chikatilo (etc) type.

[Graham]

Henry 8th was a serial killer and quite a few of his ancestors bumped people off without blinking!

Hi Nats,

I think the point here is that tyrants like Henry VIII might have been murderous buggers in the larger scheme of things, but that they didn't personally and with their own hand put paid to those who annoyed them.

You could say that Arthur Harris was one of the most notorious mass-murderers of all time, and that his aircrews were accessories after the fact; but he didn't personally murder the citizens of Dresden.

Difficult question, I agree.

Graham

[joelhall]

Henry 8th was a serial killer and quite a few of his ancestors bumped people off without blinking!

not quite.

[Natalie Severn]

Why wouldnt Shipman count? becoming a doctor is no mean acheivement... is there a "cut off" level as regards acheivement, which is a barrier to becoming a killer?.the fact that bob geldof, terry who? prince william etc arent known to be serial killers is neither here nor there. All im saying is give the guy a chance, if he is as convinced as he appears to be ,give him a hearing.
regards

Henry 8th was a serial killer and quite a few of his ancestors bumped people off without blinking!

[joelhall]

i think the point being made is that those who become famous personalities through their own means, i.e. not due to notoriety or profession, but extra-curricula if you will, have not as far as records go, gone on to become sadistic killers, as their personality type does not match those who do.

e.g. they choose to express themselves and allow their ambitious streak to come out by doing good not evil.

correct?

[Sam Flynn]

Hi Dougie,

Why wouldnt Shipman count? becoming a doctor is no mean acheivement...

Barnardo had already achieved being a doctor - like tens of thousands of others manage to do, by the way - but he had achieved much more than that in his campaigning for child welfare, and he was already a famous public figure. Shipman was about as "public" or "famous" as any one of my local GPs or town councillors.

As to giving authors a hearing - fair enough. But that shouldn't stop us from discussing the likelihood or otherwise of a VIP being the Ripper. I find the general concept inherently unlikely for several reasons, some of which I've given above.

[dougie]

True, but not particularly so by the standards of their day....I'm finding myself hard pressed to find an example of an achiever who was a serial killer, or even a non-serial one. Small-beer doctors like Shipman don't count, by the way. I mean real achievers, those who were already famous or who went on to achieve a degree of fame based on something other than notoriety - like Barnardo, Lewis Carroll, Prince Eddie, JK Stephen, William Gull and Walter Sickert. To highlight the absurdity, travel through time and consider some modern equivalents - Bob Geldof, Terry Pratchett, Prince William, Seamus Heaney, Christaan Barnard and Damien Hirst. Doesn't really work, does it?

Why wouldnt Shipman count? becoming a doctor is no mean acheivement... is there a "cut off" level as regards acheivement, which is a barrier to becoming a killer?.the fact that bob geldof, terry who? prince william etc arent known to be serial killers is neither here nor there. All im saying is give the guy a chance, if he is as convinced as he appears to be ,give him a hearing.
regards

[Graham]

...well, Cash was renowned for kitting himself out in sinister black, Graham! That, incidentally, illustrates the level of "corroboration" with which some of the more fanciful suspect-based books are content.

I know, Sam, I know.

By the way, I haven't got the faintest idea if Johnny Cash was in Dallas the day JFK was shot....

Cheers,

Graham

[Robert]

Hi all

D'Arcy Sato knew who JTR was. Unfortunately, the last page is missing from my copy, and just as I was about to learn the killer's identity, I got "Men, are you skinny?" instead.

But maybe if we all read the book, we can work out who did it?