Dr Barnardo is the killer...?

[anna]

Chris,
Where were you over this last weekend????
Oh my word,....ok.....let's just say,
By Sunday the prospect of obtaining a gun or failing that finding a very tall building,were beginning to look like an attractive proposition.
And, in answer to your question.....
NO,DR BARNARDO was not JACK....the person who suggested this had no proof whatsoever to back up his claim.
Now,let's turn the light out and hide, incase The Prophet/Alex returns for a re-match!!!!!!!!!

[anna]

Hi Suzi,
The picture you have at the bottom is of a little lad called Jim Jarvis who in 1967 took Barnardo on a tour of gutters and rooftops of the East End to show him where lots of boys were sleeping.
Barnardo had a sketchy past and wrote details of most of his past history himself.
In Stepney first at the beginning of 1868 at Hope Place-wasn't Stride in Stepney...and doesn't Stepney feature with Kelly-Stepney Gas Works.
Anyway,he does take pictures of the kids who come into their home,every kid has their photo taken when they arrive and at several months..
obviously,not in the way that was suggested at the weekend!
The were famous and called his "before and after"cards and were sold in packs of 20 for 5 shillings or 6d for one,and had titles below them,such as
"one little vagrant".
His seventh child had special needs.
At 50 he has some sort of heart complaint and has to rest.
Can't find any reference to bad eyesight.Bob obviously knows a lot about the chap,perhaps he can tell us if this is right or wrong.
Sorry if some of this info is already on the thread,had to rush this p.m.so didn't have time to look through thread to see what info is already posted.

[truebluedub]

Dr Barnardo was five feet three inches tall and wore blue tinted, thick lensed glasses for his entire life due to defective eye-sight. He was a very dapper dresser and almost never went anywhere in the East End without an associate from his organisation. JOHN RUFFELS.

Finally a man shorter than me.

Someone mentioned Bathory earlier on wasn't she a fit up.

On topic, is there any real argument that Barnardo might have been the killer as what I read here seems a tad weak even by ripperology standards.

Chris Lowe

[Suzi]

Hmmm interesting..most pictures I can trace seem to show spectacles of some kind..not especially thick though.







(Mind you this could be the proof!!)

[Johnr]

An Eyewitness Ripper Question...

Hello All,
Leaving Lord Lucan to one side for a moment, I'd like to ask a Dr Barnardo-related question about Ripper eye-witness reports.

QUESTION: Did any of the vast number of alleged eye-witnesses to the movement of suspected Jack the Ripper persons, before or after the event see either of the following:
[1] A diminuative, dapperly dressed and very widely known doctor wandering the streets of the East End carrying a wooden packing case?
[2] Or, see the same dimunuative spats-wearing doctor being guided by another person because of his very bad eye-sight?
NOTE: According to June Rose's biography of Dr Barnardo, FOR THE SAKE OF THE CHILDREN (Hodder & Stoughton) 1987 at page 17, Dr Barnardo was five feet three inches tall and wore blue tinted, thick lensed glasses for his entire life due to defective eye-sight. He was a very dapper dresser and almost never went anywhere in the East End without an associate from his organisation. JOHN RUFFELS.

[Suzi]

Yep that's right,he does!

[Bob Hinton]

Lord Lucan

I believe Lucan holds the rather dubious honour of being the last person named a murderer by the Coroners Jury.

[Suzi]

Lucan

There's a certain 'charm' about Lucky- but maybe that's because of his self imposed charm/birth etc The glamour of those wealthy enough to be in that set at that time is hard to deny.... (Maybe Mrs/Lady L may deny that though!)

....BUT...........OK it's a good story and in it's way a seriously good 'whodunnit'- but compared to JTR -we have a vague idea about what went on and the dramatis personae with Lucan -but taking a grey/invisible man out of the very local 'locals' around the East End could prove (has proved) a lot trickier!!!

[dougie]

I'm pretty sure Phil Spector has not yet been found guilty of murder. Lord Lucan certainly hasn't been found guilty. Also, Lord Lucan can hardly be considered an achiever. He was born into the aristocracy and did little in the way of gainful employment.

Maybe Lucky Lucan hasnt been found guilty yet, but I believe thats partly due to his convenient disappearance,Im only assuming theres a connection of course.
Lord Lucan might not have got his hands dirty very often ,but he played a mean kind of cards its rumoured, there was even a rumour he reappeared in parliament ,briefly to vote in favour of the poll tax So now we gotta wait to see if Phil Spector is found guilty before we can assess whether or not "barney" could possibly be considered a suspect?...whens the guilty verdict due?..oops I mean the verdict.
regards

[joelhall]

I'm pretty sure Phil Spector has not yet been found guilty of murder. Lord Lucan certainly hasn't been found guilty. Also, Lord Lucan can hardly be considered an achiever. He was born into the aristocracy and did little in the way of gainful employment.

nor was o.j. but thats another story

[Limehouse]

I'm pretty sure Phil Spector has not yet been found guilty of murder. Lord Lucan certainly hasn't been found guilty. Also, Lord Lucan can hardly be considered an achiever. He was born into the aristocracy and did little in the way of gainful employment.

[dougie]

And VERY few capital letters Sam!!!

Yes wE MusTNt loSe SIGHT of the FACT THAT CaPiTal leltters are at the very heart of this....goodPOint suZie.

[Suzi]

o.j simpson, phil spector, lord lucan

... domestic murders or crimes of passion (allegedly, I hasten to add)

king leopold, elizabeth bathory, vlad the impaler, Robert mugabe

... despots/abusers of power

As you say, Dougie, not one "serial killer" among these "personalities".

And VERY few capital letters Sam!!!

[Sam Flynn]

Just thinking out loud...a few more "achievers" who killed...non serial mostly ..but killers nonetheless.....

o.j simpson, phil spector, lord lucan

... domestic murders or crimes of passion (allegedly, I hasten to add)

king leopold, elizabeth bathory, vlad the impaler, Robert mugabe

... despots/abusers of power

As you say, Dougie, not one "serial killer" among these "personalities".

[dougie]

Just thinking out loud...a few more "achievers" who killed...non serial mostly ..but killers nonetheless.....o.j simpson, ...phil spector..king leopold, elizabeth bathory, vlad the impaler, lord lucan, .....Robert mugabe(although he gets others to commit the crimes,he is responsible ultimately) Imagine if Ted Bundy had become president of equatorial guinea.He would prob do the same as mugabe is doing.
I cant see the argument that reaching a certain level of achievement bars that person for all time from becoming a killer ,serial or otherwise.....Now for gods sake alex, present something, anything ,that might give us a "reason to believe" your theory.
regards