Ethical question - Misogyny on these boards

[Tom_Wescott]

Oh the misogyny.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

P.S. Didn't you hear one of the teletubbies was gay? He's the Don't Ask Don't Teletubbie.

[Blues]

Referring to what?

Did I miss something?

Are you talking about Jack? Wait, you said on "these boards" I believe...I've seen nothing but appropriate responses to the "women" on the boards. So, I must be missing something, or you sir are a troublemaker.

Blues Buttermaker

[Tom_Wescott]

Yes, this trubluedub or whatever is the same guy who created a thread calling us murder porn addicts. A popular chap on many a message board, no doubt.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Mort Belfry]

Hi everyone,
considering recent comments on another thread http://forum.casebook.org/showthread.php?t=870 should we be concerned that some people are displaying intolerance towards women.

I actually think the exact opposite, I think there is a tendency here to suppose that every man mentioned in 1888 is a sadosexual killer.

Imagine if Mary Ann Cox was actually Mark Aaron Cox and gave the same account of the 9th of November, (even if it makes Mark Cox a rentboy). These boards would be teeming with Mark A. Cox's Fatal Mistake threads.

[truebluedub]

Yes, this trubluedub or whatever is the same guy who created a thread calling us murder porn addicts. A popular chap on many a message board, no doubt.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

Actually I never accused anyone of being murder porn addicts. All I did was follow the suggestion of

Ripperology - murder porn?

Subject for a thread maybe - lol

One thing I like is the photography/filming

The surreal feel is right for the subject

Not sure about the plot yet - these dramas are usually very disappointing at the climax (where've I heard that before?)

thereby setting up a thread where the Ripperologist community could have a rational discussion on an accusation made against ALL OF US.

As for this thread it was started in the context of comments made on another thread which no longer seems to be around and it isn't on internet archive. However as can be seen from the original responses (from Ally and Natalie Severn and Pirate Jack among others) it was not about ripperology being misogynist but was it desirable for individuals to make sexist comments given the subject matter.

Finally I have already responded to what some people seem to think my position on ripperology on the ripper "porn thread"

OK first as someone who has been around these boards for a while I do not actually subscribe to the argument that Ripperology is porn. What I am doing here by starting this thread is continuing a discussion that started on the Whitechapel (the program) discussions.
As a qualified sociologist and a member of the sociological association whose area is the media and its participants (a better term than audience as that term implies passive dupes) I find topics on areas which happen to coincide with my own research interesting and therefore decided to see what other people's opinions were. After all message boards are in some ways the closest modern equivalent of the Habermasian public sphere.
As for the feminism element, I think you'll find that from an epistemological perspective feminism is a broad church. However quite a few feminists have critiqued ripperology and Jack the Ripper, for example Brownmiller (1975), Caputti (1987), Walkowitz (1982), Cameron and Frazer (1987), Cameron (1988) and (1994). Also within Ripperology we have A.P. Wolf (1993/2004) who at points follows similar lines.

And if you want proof that I like to look at Jack the Ripper's cultural impact please see Ripperologist 60 July 2005.

Chris Lowe

Sorry about the long winded post but I don't like words or concepts being put in my mouth especially when they are inaccurate.

Chris Lowe

[truebluedub]

one more thing

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom_Wescott View Post
Yes, this trubluedub or whatever is the same guy who created a thread calling us murder porn addicts. A popular chap on many a message board, no doubt.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott
Actually I never accused anyone of being murder porn addicts. All I did was follow the suggestion of

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nemo View Post
Ripperology - murder porn?

Subject for a thread maybe - lol

One thing I like is the photography/filming

The surreal feel is right for the subject

Not sure about the plot yet - these dramas are usually very disappointing at the climax (where've I heard that before?)
thereby setting up a thread where the Ripperologist community could have a rational discussion on an accusation made against ALL OF US.

As for this thread it was started in the context of comments made on another thread which no longer seems to be around and it isn't on internet archive. However as can be seen from the original responses (from Ally and Natalie Severn and Pirate Jack among others) it was not about ripperology being misogynist but was it desirable for individuals to make sexist comments given the subject matter.

Finally I have already responded to what some people seem to think my position on ripperology on the ripper "porn thread"

Quote:
Originally Posted by truebluedub View Post
OK first as someone who has been around these boards for a while I do not actually subscribe to the argument that Ripperology is porn. What I am doing here by starting this thread is continuing a discussion that started on the Whitechapel (the program) discussions.
As a qualified sociologist and a member of the sociological association whose area is the media and its participants (a better term than audience as that term implies passive dupes) I find topics on areas which happen to coincide with my own research interesting and therefore decided to see what other people's opinions were. After all message boards are in some ways the closest modern equivalent of the Habermasian public sphere.
As for the feminism element, I think you'll find that from an epistemological perspective feminism is a broad church. However quite a few feminists have critiqued ripperology and Jack the Ripper, for example Brownmiller (1975), Caputti (1987), Walkowitz (1982), Cameron and Frazer (1987), Cameron (1988) and (1994). Also within Ripperology we have A.P. Wolf (1993/2004) who at points follows similar lines.

And if you want proof that I like to look at Jack the Ripper's cultural impact please see Ripperologist 60 July 2005.

Chris Lowe
Sorry about the long winded post but I don't like words or concepts being put in my mouth especially when they are inaccurate.

Chris Lowe

Also can I point out that I have no control of the direction other posters take the conversation which appears to be how this thread became 'Is Ripperology Misogyny'.

Now I remember why I abandoned this thread, it quickly went off-topic.
Chris Lowe

[truebluedub]

And having now slept on it can I just point out that I am not accusing Tom Westcott of lying. I am suggesting he made an incorrect assumption.

Also as far as I know the only unpopular statement I have made was towards the start of this thread when I suggested an ethics council, a suggestion I quickly retracted.

This post is just to avoid turning this thread into another one like Dougie and Maria arguing with Good Michael and others about lying and the definition of a lie.

Chris Lowe (3 posts in a row on one thread by me that's kinda sad)

[Tom_Wescott]

Hello Chris and thank you for that enlightening response. I obviously did make a mistake in suggesting that you had created a thread accusing us of Ripper porn. However, you really should work on being a more tolerant individual, particulary in regards to misogyny, which is an integral component of the personal dynamics of the Casebook message board. Regarding feminism, it has offered absolutely nothing of value to Ripperology, whereas misogyny is the gift that keeps on giving. It helps us keep a clear mind and ensures we'll enjoy good table service when attending conferences. I hope this helps.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott