JTR Museum

[Observer]

Yep because of what he had done.

Now please tell us what he actually got right in his book.

Kate's DNA? Nope

Koz's DNA? Not looking good for your hero.

Michaelmas being observed by a Jew in '88 ? Not real likely.

That they are Daisies on his rag? Nope

That an honest copper committed at least 2 crimes to keep it? Sure that makes sense doesn't it.

You don't get it do you? Or choose not to see it more like. You had no idea who had opened that museum, and yet in here, in a very well viewed public forum discussing all things Jack The Ripper, you chipped in that it had been opened by

"Some other crackpot with a pet theory to peddle"

You had no idea at that point who had opened the museum.

Mr Edwards book was very misleading in many aspects yes, as I said though my criticism of you has nothing to do with that.

[GUT]

Hey hold on. You put that museum down before you knew Mr Edwards had anything to do with it

Yep because of what he had done.

Now please tell us what he actually got right in his book.

Kate's DNA? Nope

Koz's DNA? Not looking good for your hero.

Michaelmas being observed by a Jew in '88 ? Not real likely.

That they are Daisies on his rag? Nope

That an honest copper committed at least 2 crimes to keep it? Sure that makes sense doesn't it.

[Observer]

Hey hold on. You put that museum down before you knew Mr Edwards had anything to do with it

[GUT]

So to reiterate.

Edwards opens a shop and museum.

Releases a book full of so much wrong information that makes your head swim.

Now he announces a museum.

I wonder how bad his next will be.

I wonder if the table cloth will be in his magical museum.

[Observer]

I would advise both of you gentlemen to take a breather.

In for a penny in for a pound Robert.

Better to be hanged for a sheep than a lamb.

I suspect El White Woman frequents other Forums, where the dialogue which has just transpired is the norm. He really believes he can use such language and escape a ban in here. I for one apologies, to all the posters who have the misfortune to view the exchanges between myself and that idiot. I should have shown more restraint, but hey, what the hell.

[Pcdunn]

Off daisies, shawls, and amazing coincidences

God knows what the flowers are, Gut, and as I would bet a large amount that the 'shawl' was never within a sniff of either Eddowes or Kos, they don't really matter! Nevertheless, RE has probably made a packet on his novel, and that is really annoying!

All I know is that is that from the moment this story broke about the shawl and "scientific" analysis (I heard of it on another forum, not related to JtR, and discovered this one as a result of looking for more info), I was very cautious, to say the least.

When I learned an inventory of the victim's belongings included a mention of a clothing piece patterned with "Michelmas daisies", I became suspicious.
Then I saw an old newspaper drawing of the discovery of the body, and lo and behold! There was a shawl-like piece of cloth lying in the foreground! What an amazing coincidence! How much foresight could that constable have had to pick it up and take it home, just so it could later be sold at auction ... NOT.

[GUT]

God knows what the flowers are, Gut, and as I would bet a large amount that the 'shawl' was never within a sniff of either Eddowes or Kos, they don't really matter! Nevertheless, RE has probably made a packet on his novel, and that is really annoying!

I actually don't go that far, contrary to what one poster seems to think.

However

Let's assume the DNA is right and we have DNA potentially from Kate and Aaron. An assumption that has major holes but for the sake of argument I am willing to work with for now.

What does that prove?

Nothing more than that at some point in time the piece of material came into contact with genetic material left by each of them. So what?

DNA testing can not tell us when genetic material was deposited.

The biggest gap in this story is tying the thing to the murder site, otherwise it means nothing. On that issue you have a rather vague story, that presupposes a police officer being where he had no right to be and committing a couple of criminal of fences, versus historical records showing pretty conclusively that no such item was anywhere near the murder scene.

Then you have an author going down the not uncommon path of over egging the pudding with all the Michaelmas Daisy BS, that calls for a deranged Jew to observe a Christian holiday that by this time was pretty much out of vogue based on flowers that look nothing like Daisies.

[Rosella]

God knows what the flowers are, Gut, and as I would bet a large amount that the 'shawl' was never within a sniff of either Eddowes or Kos, they don't really matter! Nevertheless, RE has probably made a packet on his novel, and that is really annoying!

[GUT]

Few Christians in 1888 would pay attention to Michaelmas either, especially urban dwellers who rarely went to Church or chapel. By the 1880's all the Lady Day and quarter day stuff that had been relevant to servants, tenants etc was dying out as far as working class people were concerned. I have read Edwards book and much of it is grasping at straws stuff, like the so-called significance of the Michaelmas daisies.

And if those are daisies ... well ... no gardener I know thinks they look anything like daisies ... straws maybe that R.E. was clutching at.

But I guess I'm just sticking the knife in again.

[Rosella]

Few Christians in 1888 would pay attention to Michaelmas either, especially urban dwellers who rarely went to Church or chapel. By the 1880's all the Lady Day and quarter day stuff that had been relevant to servants, tenants etc was dying out as far as working class people were concerned. I have read Edwards book and much of it is grasping at straws stuff, like the so-called significance of the Michaelmas daisies.

[Panderoona]

jari is that you?


I think every one on Casebook and a certain other Ripper board would be really pleased to hear from either Jari or Russell to be honest. Many are those who frequent those boards and have written books which have been pulled apart by the ripperologists.
I don't know much about Dna to be fair, but I do know Pc Amos Simpson was based at Cheshunt both before and after the ripper murders. Not only do police records show this, the census records and baptisms of Amos children back it up.
I also know That no Jew would have attached any relevance to the Christian michelmas.

[Steadmund Brand]

I think the difference is that Edwards is the first Ripper author who has actually claimed to have solved the case with forensic science.

Unless you count Patricia Cornwell... not to reopen that can of worms


Steadmund Brand

[Harry D]

I think the difference is that Edwards is the first Ripper author who has actually claimed to have solved the case with forensic science.

[Steadmund Brand]

Stephen knight's book was entertaining Mr Edwards book was as about as entertaining as putting your head up a dead bears bum

To be fair.....I am sure there are those who would find that quite fun.. or at least worthy of putting on a reality show....


Steadmund Brand

[GUT]

Similarly ' the dog's B's' (appendages) means the best of its kind, whereas 'a load of old B's' is the worst. The best can be called just 'the dog's' or 'the B's' and the worst just 'B'.

So, to sum up:

B and a load of old B is negative.
The dog's B's, the dog's or simply the B's is positive.

I am being uncharacteristically coy about the B word here. Anyone who doesn't know the word I'm referring to can google 'Sex Pistols: Never Mind The B..... to find it.

Likewise inflection and emphasis can change the meaning of words, it is one difficulty in communcating online.