JTR Museum

[MrBarnett]

Do tell, Steadmund or is it too non-PC to share.

Perhaps the reference to Phil Collins' character had nothing to do with his nationality.

Perhaps it was about his species?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wHjieD6CTYs

[Steadmund Brand]

Isn't 'tea bag' also an American term for a Brit? I recall an episode of Miami Vice where Phil Collins played a Brit crook of some kind. He was referred to as a 'tea bag'.

Well "Tea Bag" is quite a different term in the United States now!!!!!

Steadmund Brand

[Steadmund Brand]

Crackers for southerners? I've never heard that term used for them. Crackers was always a derogatory term for white people (you're as white as a cracker).

The term I've always heard for southerners was usually Rednecks and sometimes Hicks. Of course when you get to my area, Louisiana, people will usually call us Cajuns. But to us it's a source of pride.

Rednecks, Hicks, Hillbilly’s.. yeah those are terms as well, but they tend to apply to anyone who leads a "southern lifestyle" ya know, the beer guzzling, NASCAR watching confederate flag waving stereotypes hahah (making light of it but tis true.. even in NY I see people with confederate flags on their cars or homes....they can't use the "historical heritage" excuse either as they are IN THE NORTH!!) those are the folks I hear referred to as "rednecks" and the like... Cracker was also a term used against Caucasian people for a time...but it isalso a term for southerner, but hardly used anymore...we sure do have a lot of ways to insult each other in this country.. kind of sad really... and so much for no reason.... I remember being in a southern state once (which I will not mention as I don't want to offend anyone who may live there) but because I have curly hair, and a somewhat big nose and I am from new York I had many (seriously quite a few) people being quite nasty to me and calling me names like NY Jew and damn Jew Bastard and Christ killin Jew etc.... and I'm not even Jewish!!!! there is way too much hate in the United States against ourselves....and others as well....I wish it wasn't like that... but this is the country we have become....

But hey... at least I'm not Australian hahahaha ( Just kidding GUT.... maybe I should say at least I'm not from Brisbane.... my poor poor Lions)

Steadmund Brand

[MrBarnett]

Isn't 'tea bag' also an American term for a Brit? I recall an episode of Miami Vice where Phil Collins played a Brit crook of some kind. He was referred to as a 'tea bag'.

[MrBarnett]

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[Dane_F]

As a proud Yank... I do not find the term derogatory at all.... but I must say, I do still hear it used that way, usually by southerners (southern states of America)... Yanks are northern and Crackers are southern... you don't hear Cracker used much anymore.. but Yanks I still hear (I am also a diehard NY Yankees fan.. maybe why I embrace the term like I do)

POMS is not used here at all... I have heard Brits or sometimes Limeys as a derogatory term.....

Australians we call Aussies or Ozzys

New Zealanders we call Kiwis

as an Irish American I have been called, Mick, and Paddy (while in London believe it or not)

And as an Italian American ( I am about half Irish and half Italian) I have been called Mick and Paddy hahahah ( as I am 6'5 with curly reddish hair (well with lots of grey now but...) and blue eyes nobody thinks I am Italian)

Also. Thank you Ally for the info on the Museum.. once again...maybe I am in the minority here, but what i have seen of this museum on the website seems interesting to me and i for one would love to see it.


Steadmund Brand

Crackers for southerners? I've never heard that term used for them. Crackers was always a derogatory term for white people (you're as white as a cracker).

The term I've always heard for southerners was usually Rednecks and sometimes Hicks. Of course when you get to my area, Louisiana, people will usually call us Cajuns. But to us it's a source of pride.

[Robert]

http://www.standard.co.uk/goingout/exhibitions/museum-which-promised-to-celebrate-east-end-women-now-devoted-to-jack-the-ripper-10423690.html

[Robert]

I've never considered 'Yank' a derogatory term, though I tend to say 'Americans.'

The Americans use it of themselves, anyway :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5oWH6JWBJY

[Steadmund Brand]

As a proud Yank... I do not find the term derogatory at all.... but I must say, I do still hear it used that way, usually by southerners (southern states of America)... Yanks are northern and Crackers are southern... you don't hear Cracker used much anymore.. but Yanks I still hear (I am also a diehard NY Yankees fan.. maybe why I embrace the term like I do)

POMS is not used here at all... I have heard Brits or sometimes Limeys as a derogatory term.....

Australians we call Aussies or Ozzys

New Zealanders we call Kiwis

as an Irish American I have been called, Mick, and Paddy (while in London believe it or not)

And as an Italian American ( I am about half Irish and half Italian) I have been called Mick and Paddy hahahah ( as I am 6'5 with curly reddish hair (well with lots of grey now but...) and blue eyes nobody thinks I am Italian)

Also. Thank you Ally for the info on the Museum.. once again...maybe I am in the minority here, but what i have seen of this museum on the website seems interesting to me and i for one would love to see it.


Steadmund Brand

[spyglass]

Thanks Allly I didn't know that.

Interestinger and interestinger.

Hi,
There is an article relating to this in the London Evening Standard on line today, intresting reading an a few upset locals.
Sorry but don't know how to download the link.

[GUT]

As people may or may not know it appears this museum went in under false pretenses and originally applied for a permit under the pretense of being a "woman's museum". I wrote to Mark Palmer-Edgecumbe yesterday, the man who is listed on the permit and as the founder on the website to ask about the discrepancy in what the permit stated and what the museum is. If he writes back (I doubt it) I'll let you all know what if anything he says.

Thanks Allly I didn't know that.

Interestinger and interestinger.

[Ally]

As people may or may not know it appears this museum went in under false pretenses and originally applied for a permit under the pretense of being a "woman's museum". I wrote to Mark Palmer-Edgecumbe yesterday, the man who is listed on the permit and as the founder on the website to ask about the discrepancy in what the permit stated and what the museum is. If he writes back (I doubt it) I'll let you all know what if anything he says.

[GUT]

I had to google POM to even be able to answer this question. Suffice to say, no we don't call POMS, POMS. The closets we have to a nickname for someone from England is Brit. We do call Aussies, Aussies if we give them a nickname at all.

That's the thing about The States. I suppose we are so much a melting pot that we don't really have nicknames and usually just call people by where they're from. "He's an Australian. He's English. He's Irish. He's an Italian."

We do have some pretty bad slang for South American people, and there is some slight slang held over from the early 1900s (and earlier) that certain immigrants would be called (the biggest example being the "N" word for African Americans) but for the most part a lot of our slang for people involves where people inside of the States live. We don't have a ton of slang for foreigners.

For example I'm 50% Italian, 35% British, then I have Spain, French, Irish, Scottish, Native American, and multiple other origins all in my blood. It's kinda hard to find a slang term that I could call anyone without it applying to me too. The closets I can of someone calling me something is my Grandfather who was 100% English would call me a Italian slangs such a Dego (sp? No idea what it meant) and WOP or Wopsicle (stood for With-Out Papers because apparently a lot of Italians came to the states that way). What do you call a cold Italian? A
WOPsicle.

Aussies tend to be big on nicknames, not just for other nationalities, but also each other (hence Gut a name I've carried for nigh on 50 years now).

I am similar with a host of nationalities, primarily from what is now the UK, but also The Nethlands France and Germany.

Dego is actually Dago and was/is highly offensive to most Italians.

The N word is a funny one, as at one stage it was preferred to others.

I think the most common used for Aussies is eithe Skips or some reference to our convict heritage (even though only a fairly small percentage have such heritage).

I didn't think Americans would use POM as it probably started as an insult, and most likely either came from

POHM = Prisoner Of Her Majesty or

POM = Skin as pale as a pomegranate or

POME = Prisoner Of Mother England.

Or something similar.

[Dane_F]

Ok do you Yanks call POMS, POMS or what do you call them.

And what do either of you call Aussies, other than the greatest of course.

I can't say what we call New Zealanders for fear of a ban. But non of you mob better call 'em that.

I had to google POM to even be able to answer this question. Suffice to say, no we don't call POMS, POMS. The closets we have to a nickname for someone from England is Brit. We do call Aussies, Aussies if we give them a nickname at all.

That's the thing about The States. I suppose we are so much a melting pot that we don't really have nicknames and usually just call people by where they're from. "He's an Australian. He's English. He's Irish. He's an Italian."

We do have some pretty bad slang for South American people, and there is some slight slang held over from the early 1900s (and earlier) that certain immigrants would be called (the biggest example being the "N" word for African Americans) but for the most part a lot of our slang for people involves where people inside of the States live. We don't have a ton of slang for foreigners.

For example I'm 50% Italian, 35% British, then I have Spain, French, Irish, Scottish, Native American, and multiple other origins all in my blood. It's kinda hard to find a slang term that I could call anyone without it applying to me too. The closets I can think of someone calling me something is my Grandfather who was 100% English would call me Italian slangs such a Dego (sp? No idea what it meant) and WOP or Wopsicle (stood for With-Out Papers because apparently a lot of Italians came to the states that way). What do you call a cold Italian? A
WOPsicle.

[GUT]

Ok do you Yanks call POMS, POMS or what do you call them.

And what do either of you call Aussies, other than the greatest of course.

I can't say what we call New Zealanders for fear of a ban. But non of you mob better call 'em that.