The Seaside Home: Could Schwartz or Lawende Have Put the Ripper's Neck in a Noose?

[Herlock Sholmes]

The problem that you continually ignore is the strength of evidence that the marginalia isn’t a forgery. Even if there’s only a 70% or 80% or 90% likelihood of it being genuine then there is a 70% or 80% or 90% chance that the ID actually happened. You’re looking at it by saying “I don’t think that ID happened therefore the marginalia must be a forgery.”

The absence of corroboration for the ID leaves us with questions that we would like answering of course, but with so much written evidence no longer available is it really so surprising that we have none? Surely it’s possible that the actual logistics of the ID could have involved very few officers who were told to keep quiet? The people at the Seaside Home could have been told that the ID was related to another case so they would see nothing worth talking about. Consider…more people believe in a conspiracy to assassinate JFK than believe in Oswald alone (I don’t) but those millions of people all believe that such a huge, wide ranging conspiracy was kept under wraps with no one blabbing, so how much easier would it have been for no corroboration to seep out about an ID that took place 130+ years ago involving very few people?

Couldn’t the fact that others don’t mention the ID, at least in part, arise from the outcome of the ID? We have Swanson’s reason for the failure to get an ID that would have stood up in court (that the witness wouldn’t ID a fellow Jew) but perhaps this was an assumption on his part based on a misinterpretation and that the witness was so unsure about it that he would send a man to his death? Either way the reality was, in terms of bringing the killer to justice, the ID was unsuccessful so Smith could have seen the episode as one of ‘another suspect bites the dust?’ One of many leads that led nowhere.

Finally we have to ask why would Swanson lie in an entry in a book that wasn’t intended for public consumption? He was there and he appears to have been an honest and conscientious man.

[Trevor Marriott]

The problem that you continually ignore is the strength of evidence that the marginalia isn’t a forgery. Even if there’s only a 70% or 80% or 90% likelihood of it being genuine then there is a 70% or 80% or 90% chance that the ID actually happened. You’re looking at it by saying “I don’t think that ID happened therefore the marginalia must be a forgery.”

The absence of corroboration for the ID leaves us with questions that we would like answering of course, but with so much written evidence no longer available is it really so surprising that we have none? Surely it’s possible that the actual logistics of the ID could have involved very few officers who were told to keep quiet? The people at the Seaside Home could have been told that the ID was related to another case so they would see nothing worth talking about. Consider…more people believe in a conspiracy to assassinate JFK than believe in Oswald alone (I don’t) but those millions of people all believe that such a huge, wide ranging conspiracy was kept under wraps with no one blabbing, so how much easier would it have been for no corroboration to seep out about an ID that took place 130+ years ago involving very few people?

There is no need for written evidence we have the likes of Abberline, Reid and Dew and Major Smith all of whom make no mention of it ever taking place

But the outcome of this ID parade as described was a major game changer as far as the ripper investigation was concerned, the identification of the killer, and those on the ground ie Abberline, Reid and Dew and Major Smith would have known about it yet none of them make any mention of it, in fact, Abberline challenges Anderson to prove it

Finally we have to ask why would Swanson lie in an entry in a book that wasn’t intended for public consumption? He was there and he appears to have been an honest and conscientious man.

There is no suggestion that Donald Swanson lied, the question is who had the book in their possession after his death and could have added the last line Kosminksi was the suspect, and for such a prime suspect and such a positive ID no one seems to know his first name!

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[Herlock Sholmes]

There is no suggestion that Donald Swanson lied, the question is who had the book in their possession after his death and could have added the last line Kosminksi was the suspect, and for such a prime suspect and such a positive ID no one seems to know his first name!

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There’s no evidence of forgery Trevor so why are you so insistent? You’re judging the marginalia on the lack of corroboration for the ID.

My view is simple……it fairly obviously wasn’t a forgery, therefore the ID took place but we have no other written corroboration. The first name thing is just a non-point. When people write ‘Elvis’ does that mean that they don’t know his surname? Why would Anderson make this up when he’d have known that there would have been people still around who could have called him a liar? Why would Swanson confirm a lie? Let go the conspiracist nonsense.

[Trevor Marriott]

There’s no evidence of forgery Trevor so why are you so insistent? You’re judging the marginalia on the lack of corroboration for the ID.

My view is simple……it fairly obviously wasn’t a forgery, therefore the ID took place but we have no other written corroboration. The first name thing is just a non-point. When people write ‘Elvis’ does that mean that they don’t know his surname? Why would Anderson make this up when he’d have known that there would have been people still around who could have called him a liar? Why would Swanson confirm a lie? Let go the conspiracist nonsense.

To right that is how I am judging it along with the chain of events that led to it being finally published by one newspaper with the line Kosminski was the suspect included despite it being rejected by another paper several years before and why did they reject it? was it because that last line was not present at that time?

And I am still waiting for Adam Wood or Paul Begg to produce the result of the first forensic examination on the marginalia commissioned by Paul Begg

There is no conspiracy nonsense

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[Herlock Sholmes]

To right that is how I am judging it along with the chain of events that led to it being finally published by one newspaper with the line Kosminski was the suspect included despite it being rejected by another paper several years before and why did they reject it? was it because that last line was not present at that time?

And I am still waiting for Adam Wood or Paul Begg to produce the result of the first forensic examination on the marginalia commissioned by Paul Begg

There is no conspiracy nonsense

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Its a joke Trevor. Clearly genuine.

[Trevor Marriott]

Its a joke Trevor. Clearly genuine.

Genuine ! isn't that what they said about the Hitler diaries look how that all turned out

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[Herlock Sholmes]

Genuine ! isn't that what they said about the Hitler diaries look how that all turned out

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With the Hitler Diaries there was obviously big money involved unlike the paltry amount possible for the Anderson book. You’re just being typically bloody minded on this issue Trevor. A child could see that the points in favour of the marginalia being genuine massively, overwhelmingly outweigh the case for forgery. Yet you go for forgery because it’s a way of ‘backing up’ your wish to dismiss Kosminski. One of the very few suspects worth considering in this case. You get an idea then do absolutely anything to try and back it up.

[FISHY1118]

The Hitler Diaries and Maybrick Diaries , obviously someone conspired to create a false account of each , dont look now but conspiracy theories that get brushed aside actually do exist , how bout that . As for the jfk lone gunman theory goes, the evidence speaks for it self as more favourable than a lone gunman imo . But hey believe what ever you like guys .

[Trevor Marriott]

With the Hitler Diaries there was obviously big money involved unlike the paltry amount possible for the Anderson book. You’re just being typically bloody minded on this issue Trevor. A child could see that the points in favour of the marginalia being genuine massively, overwhelmingly outweigh the case for forgery. Yet you go for forgery because it’s a way of ‘backing up’ your wish to dismiss Kosminski. One of the very few suspects worth considering in this case. You get an idea then do absolutely anything to try and back it up.

I have provided more than enough proof to suggest the marginalia is unsafe to rely on.

As to Kosminski being named as a prime suspect, how can you refer to a prime suspect when no one involved in the case has bothered to document his full name, some prime suspect

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[Herlock Sholmes]

The Hitler Diaries and Maybrick Diaries , obviously someone conspired to create a false account of each , dont look now but conspiracy theories that get brushed aside actually do exist , how bout that . As for the jfk lone gunman theory goes, the evidence speaks for it self as more favourable than a lone gunman imo . But hey believe what ever you like guys .

I’m not saying that conspiracies can’t be true only that people can fall into a certain kind of thinking when pursuing them. All caution can get thrown to the wind. Alleged ‘links’ are discovered or plucked out of thin air. With the JFK thing we have a conspiracy that would have had to have involved 100’s of people and yet 70 years later nothing solid has been produced as far as I can see. So we have a conspiracy where they didn’t even bother with an escape plan for Oswald. They left him free to roam and to potentially blab but at no time does he ever say “it wasn’t just me,” or “I was set up.” . Then coincidentally on the route that we know that he took to the cinema a policeman was shot before Oswald was arrested with the actual gun on him. Then we get Ruby’s ‘planned assassination’ where he stopped off to mail some money to one of his strippers before going to the police station where, if Oswald hadn’t requested a jacket, he would have missed seeing him. Some plot. It makes absolutely no sense to me. But hey, perhaps it was planned by Laurel and Hardy?

[Herlock Sholmes]

I have provided more than enough proof to suggest the marginalia is unsafe to rely on.

Yes, you believe that it’s outrageous to suggest that Swanson might have actually owned 2 pencils. The very thought! Or that his hand sometimes shook despite Swanson actually saying this himself. Or that the omission of a Christian name has someone bang to rights.

To call the evidence weak would be being charitable. As Dr. Davies said - no evidence of forgery.

As to Kosminski being named as a prime suspect, how can you refer to a prime suspect when no one involved in the case has bothered to document his full name, some prime suspect

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Why are you so obsessed with this name? How many people mentioned Kosminski by name? Isn’t it just two? One brief mention in a memorandum and one written in pencil in the margin of a book. It’s another non-issue made in desperation.

[Trevor Marriott]

Why are you so obsessed with this name? How many people mentioned Kosminski by name? Isn’t it just two? One brief mention in a memorandum and one written in pencil in the margin of a book. It’s another non-issue made in desperation.

and the forensic evidence to support is not conclusive, and by his own admissions James Swanson tampered with the marginalia page

The only desperation is by you seeking to prove its authenticity in its current form

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[Trevor Marriott]

Why are you so obsessed with this name? How many people mentioned Kosminski by name? Isn’t it just two? One brief mention in a memorandum and one written in pencil in the margin of a book. It’s another non-issue made in desperation.

Clearly, Swanson did own two different color pencils, and the forensic report states that it is believed that the two additions in different colors were made some time apart

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[Trevor Marriott]

Why are you so obsessed with this name? How many people mentioned Kosminski by name? Isn’t it just two? One brief mention in a memorandum and one written in pencil in the margin of a book. It’s another non-issue made in desperation.

I am not obsessed with the name, but you would think that two high-ranking Scotland yard officers namely Magnaghten and Swanson would have at least known the full name of this so-called prime suspect. MM was Swansons immediate superior and he mentions this man Kosminski in two documents but at no time does he mention his full name and then in he second he writes about exonerating him.

You cannot keep burying your head in the sand, you have to face up to the facts as they are known, and stop hypothesizing

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[Herlock Sholmes]

and the forensic evidence to support is not conclusive, and by his own admissions James Swanson tampered with the marginalia page

The only desperation is by you seeking to prove its authenticity in its current form

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Adding a line to highlight a paragraph is not tampering. There’s no deception about doing that. Pathetic.