The Seaside Home: Could Schwartz or Lawende Have Put the Ripper's Neck in a Noose?

[Elamarna]

Druitt definitely didn’t have an alibi for Nichols

(HERLOCK SHOMES)


According to Elamarna, unsupported speculation amounts to invention.

It follows that, according to Elamarna, Herlock's statement above amounts to invention.

If he disputes that, he is welcome to do so.

Not sure exactly what the point is here.

We know Druitt was playing cricket the day before the murder of Polly Nicholls, away from London.

We know he could in theory, depending on the finish time of play , have caught a train to get him to London in time to kill Polly

However, we do not know what time the matched finished, so cannot say if he could have caught said train.

Therefore, while for some people, there is an alibi( they reject the possibility of him catching the train, they consider it unlikely) it is far from what would call a cast iron alibi.

The statement that Druitt "definitely didn't have an alibi " is maybe a tad too strong, too definitive.
It is however based on the information that he could if he wanted have got to London after the cricket( again it's all dependent on the finish time, which we do not know.) thus nullifying the alibi that he was playing cricket outside of London the day before.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

MM in his memorandum specifically calls Kosminski a suspect . I suppose you think he was making it up as well

Macnaghten thought Druitt was a doctor, that Ostrog was on the outside, that Kosminski was put away in March 1889, that Ostrog was a homicidal maniac, that Druitt was sexually insane, and that Kosminski had a great hatred of women.

The first four statements are untrue and the last two unsupported.

Macnaghten is hardly a reliable source - is he?

He does not provide any evidence that Kosminski was a suspect prior to his incarceration - and neither do Anderson or Swanson.

Nothing.

Not even a reference to a search carried out or something incriminating found.

There is no evidence that Kosminski was a suspect prior to his incarceration.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

The only way anyone could prove that Druitt did not have an alibi would be if they could find a record that he had been unable to provide one when challenged by police.

He was never challenged because he did not become a suspect until after his death, just as Kosminski did not become a suspect until after his incarceration.

The statement

Druitt definitely didn’t have an alibi for Nichols

cannot be substantiated and, according to Elamarna's definition, amounts to invention.

[Darryl Kenyon]

Kosminski did not have the chance to clear himself because he was not even a suspect.

A careful reading of Anderson's memoirs reveals that even according to Anderson, his conclusion that the murderer had to be a Polish Jew was not arrived at as a result of any search yielding any positive result and that the suspect was no longer living in Whitechapel at the time that he became a suspect.

MM in his memorandum specifically calls Kosminski a suspect . I suppose you think he was making it up as well

[Herlock Sholmes]

Druitt definitely didn’t have an alibi for Nichols

(HERLOCK SHOMES)


According to Elamarna, unsupported speculation amounts to invention.

It follows that, according to Elamarna, Herlock's statement above amounts to invention.

If he disputes that, he is welcome to do so.

Because it’s not speculation it’s perfectly true. We know for an absolute fact that Druitt had 2 or 3 different trains that would have got back to London well in time for the Nichols murder. And we know that the cricket match that he was supposed to be playing in when Tabram was killed didn’t take place.

So these are facts arrived at by research. Not speculation.

I know that it might stick in your throat PI, but the evidence is there and unequivocal…So…..will you accept that you are wrong?

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

Druitt definitely didn’t have an alibi for Nichols

(HERLOCK SHOMES)


According to Elamarna, unsupported speculation amounts to invention.

It follows that, according to Elamarna, Herlock's statement above amounts to invention.

If he disputes that, he is welcome to do so.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

Well someone was less than economical with the truth thats for sure

https://www.trevormarriott.co.uk

I think in Anderson's case, that is clear, but does it really matter whether he knew that what he wrote was not true?

We know that when he claimed to have discussed the murders with the Home Secretary, William Harcourt, Harcourt was not Home Secretary.

We know that he confused Alice McKenzie with Mary Kelly.

We know that he confused the political parties of leading politicians.

We know that he thought a clear-cut case of murder was a natural death.

We know that Winston Churchill called him a fantasist.

We know that he changed an important detail about his suspect's history when he realised it could not have happened.

We know that when challenged by Inspector Reid, he made no response.

What does that tell you?

[Herlock Sholmes]

Druitt definitely didn’t have an alibi for Nichols

(HERLOCK SHOMES)

Would Elamarna kindly tell us whether the statement quoted above is invention?

It was you that made the assertion. How about you giving an answer to the question I directed at you (a note that I mentioned in my post that you would try and swerve the question.)

Will you now concede that you were wrong?

[Herlock Sholmes]

Kosminski did not have the chance to clear himself because he was not even a suspect.

.

Leaving aside your opinion for a second can you provide us with the concrete proof that he was never suspected please?

[Trevor Marriott]

Pizer may have been looked at as a person of interest at the time, but that's because at the time he was suspected of being a man who had ill used prostitutes.
He was checked out and cleared with incidentally a policeman helping his case .
If Kosminski had an alibi in my opinion he would have been cleared to . You seem to be suggesting here that Anderson and Swanson were knowingly lying.

Well someone was less than economical with the truth thats for sure

https://www.trevormarriott.co.uk

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

Pizer may have been looked at as a person of interest at the time, but that's because at the time he was suspected of being a man who had ill used prostitutes.
He was checked out and cleared with incidentally a policeman helping his case .
If Kosminski had an alibi in my opinion he would have been cleared to . You seem to be suggesting here that Anderson and Swanson were knowingly lying.

Kosminski did not have the chance to clear himself because he was not even a suspect.

A careful reading of Anderson's memoirs reveals that even according to Anderson, his conclusion that the murderer had to be a Polish Jew was not arrived at as a result of any search yielding any positive result and that the suspect was no longer living in Whitechapel at the time that he became a suspect.

[Darryl Kenyon]

There is plenty more to say on this matter.

First, what you are claiming is untrue.

What I wrote is a reasonable speculation.

That is not invention.

Even if it were, as you claim, unsupported speculation, that is NOT invention and everyone here knows it.

Pizer was accused of committing Whitechapel murders.

He had alibis.

Druitt has been accused of committing the Whitechapel murders.

It turns out that he had an alibi for the first murder.

It is reasonable to speculate that he had alibis for others in the series.

That is not invention.

Lechmere almost certainly had alibis for at least some of the Whitechapel murders, which took place before he had even set out for work or on days when he can reasonably have been expected to be with his family.

From what we know of Kosminski, it is reasonable to speculate that he had alibis for at least some of the murders.

And that, as I think you know deep down, is not invention.

Pizer may have been looked at as a person of interest at the time, but that's because at the time he was suspected of being a man who had ill used prostitutes.
He was checked out and cleared with incidentally a policeman helping his case .
If Kosminski had an alibi in my opinion he would have been cleared to . You seem to be suggesting here that Anderson and Swanson were knowingly lying.

[Elamarna]

You cannot be serious!

Seven months cannot be a very short space of time.

How many people here would ever describe seven months as a a very short space of time?

I am totally serious. Terms such as a short space of time are subjective.
That you seem to believe you KNOW what time frame was intended by Swanson, is high amusing.

[Elamarna]

There is plenty more to say on this matter.

First, what you are claiming is untrue.

What I wrote is a reasonable speculation.

That is not invention.

Even if it were, as you claim, unsupported speculation, that is NOT invention and everyone here knows it.

Pizer was accused of committing Whitechapel murders.

He had alibis.

Druitt has been accused of committing the Whitechapel murders.

It turns out that he had an alibi for the first murder.

It is reasonable to speculate that he had alibis for others in the series.

That is not invention.

Lechmere almost certainly had alibis for at least some of the Whitechapel murders, which took place before he had even set out for work or on days when he can reasonably have been expected to be with his family.

From what we know of Kosminski, it is reasonable to speculate that he had alibis for at least some of the murders.

And that, as I think you know deep down, is not invention.

No I do not know that at all. What I do know however, is that to speculate that a named person likely had alibis for some of the murders, when there is no evidemce of such, as an attempt to eliminate them as a suspect, is invention.


As I say nothing else to say.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

Druitt definitely didn’t have an alibi for Nichols

(HERLOCK SHOMES)

Would Elamarna kindly tell us whether the statement quoted above is invention?