The Seaside Home: Could Schwartz or Lawende Have Put the Ripper's Neck in a Noose?

[Herlock Sholmes]

Druitt definitely didn’t have an alibi for Nichols

(HERLOCK SHOMES)

Would Elamarna kindly tell us whether the statement quoted above is invention?

It was you that made the assertion. How about you giving an answer to the question I directed at you (a note that I mentioned in my post that you would try and swerve the question.)

Will you now concede that you were wrong?

[Herlock Sholmes]

Kosminski did not have the chance to clear himself because he was not even a suspect.

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Leaving aside your opinion for a second can you provide us with the concrete proof that he was never suspected please?

[Trevor Marriott]

Pizer may have been looked at as a person of interest at the time, but that's because at the time he was suspected of being a man who had ill used prostitutes.
He was checked out and cleared with incidentally a policeman helping his case .
If Kosminski had an alibi in my opinion he would have been cleared to . You seem to be suggesting here that Anderson and Swanson were knowingly lying.

Well someone was less than economical with the truth thats for sure

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[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

Pizer may have been looked at as a person of interest at the time, but that's because at the time he was suspected of being a man who had ill used prostitutes.
He was checked out and cleared with incidentally a policeman helping his case .
If Kosminski had an alibi in my opinion he would have been cleared to . You seem to be suggesting here that Anderson and Swanson were knowingly lying.

Kosminski did not have the chance to clear himself because he was not even a suspect.

A careful reading of Anderson's memoirs reveals that even according to Anderson, his conclusion that the murderer had to be a Polish Jew was not arrived at as a result of any search yielding any positive result and that the suspect was no longer living in Whitechapel at the time that he became a suspect.

[Darryl Kenyon]

There is plenty more to say on this matter.

First, what you are claiming is untrue.

What I wrote is a reasonable speculation.

That is not invention.

Even if it were, as you claim, unsupported speculation, that is NOT invention and everyone here knows it.

Pizer was accused of committing Whitechapel murders.

He had alibis.

Druitt has been accused of committing the Whitechapel murders.

It turns out that he had an alibi for the first murder.

It is reasonable to speculate that he had alibis for others in the series.

That is not invention.

Lechmere almost certainly had alibis for at least some of the Whitechapel murders, which took place before he had even set out for work or on days when he can reasonably have been expected to be with his family.

From what we know of Kosminski, it is reasonable to speculate that he had alibis for at least some of the murders.

And that, as I think you know deep down, is not invention.

Pizer may have been looked at as a person of interest at the time, but that's because at the time he was suspected of being a man who had ill used prostitutes.
He was checked out and cleared with incidentally a policeman helping his case .
If Kosminski had an alibi in my opinion he would have been cleared to . You seem to be suggesting here that Anderson and Swanson were knowingly lying.

[Elamarna]

You cannot be serious!

Seven months cannot be a very short space of time.

How many people here would ever describe seven months as a a very short space of time?

I am totally serious. Terms such as a short space of time are subjective.
That you seem to believe you KNOW what time frame was intended by Swanson, is high amusing.

[Elamarna]

There is plenty more to say on this matter.

First, what you are claiming is untrue.

What I wrote is a reasonable speculation.

That is not invention.

Even if it were, as you claim, unsupported speculation, that is NOT invention and everyone here knows it.

Pizer was accused of committing Whitechapel murders.

He had alibis.

Druitt has been accused of committing the Whitechapel murders.

It turns out that he had an alibi for the first murder.

It is reasonable to speculate that he had alibis for others in the series.

That is not invention.

Lechmere almost certainly had alibis for at least some of the Whitechapel murders, which took place before he had even set out for work or on days when he can reasonably have been expected to be with his family.

From what we know of Kosminski, it is reasonable to speculate that he had alibis for at least some of the murders.

And that, as I think you know deep down, is not invention.

No I do not know that at all. What I do know however, is that to speculate that a named person likely had alibis for some of the murders, when there is no evidemce of such, as an attempt to eliminate them as a suspect, is invention.


As I say nothing else to say.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

Druitt definitely didn’t have an alibi for Nichols

(HERLOCK SHOMES)

Would Elamarna kindly tell us whether the statement quoted above is invention?

[Herlock Sholmes]

Lechmere almost certainly had alibis for at least some of the Whitechapel murders, which took place before he had even set out for work or on days when he can reasonably have been expected to be with his family.

From what we know of Kosminski, it is reasonable to speculate that he had alibis for at least some of the murders.

And that, as I think you know deep down, is not invention.

This is absolutely untrue. I have no time for Lechmere as a suspect (and neither does Steve, as everyone knows) but to say that he “almost certainly had alibis.” Is not only untrue it’s completely meaningless. Can any of us imagine the police office who would say:” yeah we can dismiss suspect x because he’s probably got alibis.”

Alibis have to be presented and not speculated upon.

So yes, it’s a 100% invention.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

An Astro-physicist would.

Swanson was not an Astro-physicist.

[Herlock Sholmes]

You cannot be serious!

Seven months cannot be a very short space of time.

How many people here would ever describe seven months as a a very short space of time?

An Astro-physicist would.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Druitt has been accused of committing the Whitechapel murders.

It turns out that he had an alibi for the first murder.

It is reasonable to speculate that he had alibis for others in the series.

No it’s not.

That is not invention.

Yes it is.
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This is certainly untrue.

If you had read the thread over on JTRForums where a researcher thought that she might have discovered that Druitt couldn’t have killed Nichols for logistical reasons you would know that this has been proven not to have been the case. Even researchers who have no time for Druitt as a suspect have had no choice but to accept this. So Druitt definitely didn’t have an alibi for Nichols. What was also discovered as a result of researchers looking into that very point was that contrary to what was previously believed, Druitt also didn’t have an alibi for the Tabram murder either. Everyone had assumed, including myself, that DJ Leighton was correct when he stated that Druitt was playing cricket on that day but it was simply untrue. This is not opinion. It’s proven fact.

So whatever anyone’s opinion of Druitt as a suspect he categorically doesn’t have an alibi for any of the murders (unless you choose to count Mackenzie of course) I’m now in the familiar position of wondering if you will actually acknowledge these facts or will you just move on without comment?

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

Of course "in a very small short time" is a highly subjective term, and will mean different things to different people.

And of course he was writting for himself, so he didn't need to be more specific .

Steve

You cannot be serious!

Seven months cannot be a very short space of time.

How many people here would ever describe seven months as a a very short space of time?

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

Considering he was annotating many years later 7 months would seem a very short space of time would it not?

Seven months is not a a very short space of time in anyone's book - even Swanson's.

Can you give an example of someone in all seriousness ever having described such a time period as a very short space of time?

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

I am open to possibilities, you are not.
To say a suspect is likely to have alibis for at least some of the murders , is unsupported speculation, that is invention.

There is nothing else to say on this matter.

There is plenty more to say on this matter.

First, what you are claiming is untrue.

What I wrote is a reasonable speculation.

That is not invention.

Even if it were, as you claim, unsupported speculation, that is NOT invention and everyone here knows it.

Pizer was accused of committing Whitechapel murders.

He had alibis.

Druitt has been accused of committing the Whitechapel murders.

It turns out that he had an alibi for the first murder.

It is reasonable to speculate that he had alibis for others in the series.

That is not invention.

Lechmere almost certainly had alibis for at least some of the Whitechapel murders, which took place before he had even set out for work or on days when he can reasonably have been expected to be with his family.

From what we know of Kosminski, it is reasonable to speculate that he had alibis for at least some of the murders.

And that, as I think you know deep down, is not invention.