What 5 Questions Would You Like Answered?

[Trevor Marriott]

I'm not quite sure what point is being argued here (as is so often the case on these boards). Is it being argued that since there were no signs of connection found that these women were not engaged in prostitution? And therefore, if they were not engaged in prostitution, they were not Ripper victims? If that is the argument,then it would appear that argument is easily disproved, oral sex, washing etc.

As for the washing method, I am confident that they could have figured something out since it would be an occupational hazard.

c.d.

I agree the point is that just because the doctors could find no trace of connection is doesn't mean to say that none took place is some for or another.

[curious4]

Only option left?

Hello Trevor,

I was talking about Polly Nichols' comment that she had had her doss money three times that night - making the point that she didn't necessarily prostitute herself to get it then. As she had subsequently spent it all on drink, she probably was trying to earn it in the only way left open to her. Doubtless still hoping her new bonnet would render her irresistible.

Best wishes,
C4

[c.d.]

I'm not quite sure what point is being argued here (as is so often the case on these boards). Is it being argued that since there were no signs of connection found that these women were not engaged in prostitution? And therefore, if they were not engaged in prostitution, they were not Ripper victims? If that is the argument,then it would appear that argument is easily disproved, oral sex, washing etc.

As for the washing method, I am confident that they could have figured something out since it would be an occupational hazard.

c.d.

[RivkahChaya]

Never hear that saying never look a gift horse in the mouth.

If they werent looking for business what were they doing wandering the streets at those late hours ?

Wow. What are you, a sex crimes defense attorney from 1962?

John Kelly said he and Kate walked the streets all night when they didn't have doss money.

Were there really enough beds for anyone who potentially might want one, or was it possible not to get a bed just by showing up too late, even if you had the money?

[DVV]

If they werent looking for business what were they doing wandering the streets at those late hours ?

One day we will be asked if the victims are really dead.

[Trevor Marriott]

My point was that they may have washed after previous customers and prior to encountering their killer and that they were killed before any sexual activity took place with their killer.

c.d.

Where would they wash a horse trough. I am sure they would vrey lady like dangling their arses over a trough. What about the poor horses that has to drink afterwards.

More as likely as not Eddowes wiped herself with the apron piece as against washing ! after sex before she met her killer

[Trevor Marriott]

Hello Trevor,

Yes, but isn't the consensus that these were casual prostitutes, only selling their bodies when every other possibility had been explored?

Best wishes,
C4

Never hear that saying never look a gift horse in the mouth.

If they werent looking for business what were they doing wandering the streets at those late hours ?

[DVV]

Hello David. But surely not as grotesque as the case has become with all that ripper rot?

Time to understand that it is fiction.

Cheers.
LC

Hi Lynn,

actually you prove me right all along this thread : you're a negationist using the methods of negationism.

You often avoid questions you're asked (latest example, Jon Guy's), or answer them flippantly. You focus on minor détails, such as Kate's pockets, the fact that she would have been thirsty and hungry (???), etc.

And when you're kind enough to expose a whole scenario, the result is unbelievable : Stride killed by a club member, protected by a huge, fast and unfailing conspiracy.

I'm not being nasty, that's just what you are doing.

Cheers

[curious4]

Casual

Hello Trevor,

Yes, but isn't the consensus that these were casual prostitutes, only selling their bodies when every other possibility had been explored?

Best wishes,
C4

[c.d.]

My point was that they may have washed after previous customers and prior to encountering their killer and that they were killed before any sexual activity took place with their killer.

c.d.

[Jon Guy]

Hi Trev

Lets sort the wheat from the chafe out on this topic of connection.It painful to watch these posts.

The doctors suggest no recent connection, but surely that does not mean that none took place.?

The doctors would have been looking for signs of semen externally and internally. If they had been with anyone and had engaged in vaginal or anal sex then who is to say that the person or persons they went with did not ejaculate outside of the body. On the floor etc. Or even orally for that matter. If a client did not have sufficient money for the full menu. They would have been offered a starter at a reduced rate.

Stride may have had an evening of flowers, cachous, food and drink on the basis of ending the night in a common lodging house.
Nichols could have just spent the day with the one man and considered the drinks he bought as the earnings she mentioned.

Sorry it`s painful to watch Trev, but there`s a good chance they hadn`t had sex.

Did Alice Graham have sex with Grainger?

Many assume it was all knee tremblers in alley`s but many of the cases we are familiar with have the woman and man expecting to end the night together in a common lodging house.

So there is a very good chance they had not had sex when they were found.

The fact that Coles walked off with a punter half an hour or so before she was seen again, dead, and yet she had no signs of connection, may be due to the fact it was THAT punter that killed her.

[curious4]

String 'em along

Hello Jon,

Yupp! Devious lot, women!

Cheers,

C4

[Trevor Marriott]

An even simpler explanation is that they were all killed before any type of sexual activity took place.

c.d.

That would depend on when last they had any connection before their murders. I am sure at their prices they would have been able to accommodate someone.

Street prostitutes are always on the look out for business whilst they are on the street that is a fact.

[curious4]

Polly

Hello c.d.,

I thought we were talking about Polly having had her doss money three times that night?

Best wishes,
C4

[Jon Guy]

Hi C4

Absolutely, Coles strung poor old Sadler out on the Saturday, getting her drinks, bed, food and a bonnet (and some raffle tickets) and then pretended to be dead drunk or asleep when he wanted a bit of ow`s your father.

Annie Farmer nicked her own neck and screamed bloody murder as soon as she got the money before any action took place.