E Petitions and Ripper Files and papers

[Chris]

So unless you can define what you have put in your post as 'all related documents' then how on earth can an uninformed civil servant begin to devine what this petition relates to? Which is why I have said that accuracy and specifics are required. Do you not understand that?

I'm all for accuracy and specifics, but I didn't have an opportunity to edit the petition. I just had to decide whether to sign it or not. I decided to sign it, for the reasons I've given.

[Chris]

I will just say that if people are really concerned about the possibility of these documents being destroyed, then it really would be a good idea to complete the partial search of the redacted version for references to the case that's been done, and to make specific requests for copies of any further entries that are found.

[Stewart P Evans]

As of now...

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If 100.000 signatures can be obtained there is a chance that this will force the British Government to discuss this in Parliament. So your vote would help the cause. Please feel free to pass these details onto any others who you may have on your e mail list who may wish to support this action.
"Failure is not an option"

As of now 28 signatures obtained, only 99,972 to go.

[Trevor Marriott]

If there are no particular files that you wish to access then you obviously do not have a problem in this regard. If you do not envisage doing any more Ripper research that would be Ripperology's loss and, I suspect, your gain.

The petition is calling for the 'declassification' and 'availability' of (as I have already shown) 'all hitherto unpublished files, documents and papers relating to these murders'. As is well known all the files relating, specifically, to the Whitechapel murders were released to the public many years ago. The reference to 'documents and papers' is rather more nebulous and could be deemed to cover any document at all filed under different categories, and with a material relating to other matters, but which contains mention of the murders.

Now put yourself in the position of a civil servant receiving this petition to deal with. What does he do? Obviously he checks all the recorded Whitechapel murders files and finds that they have been released to the public in the 1970s, earlier than their 100 years release date. He does not know which closed or confidential files may contain references to the murders. And on checking he will find no evidence of 'unwarranted secrecy' in relation to the Whitechapel murders. He will report such as his finding.

So unless you can define what you have put in your post as 'all related documents' then how on earth can an uninformed civil servant begin to devine what this petition relates to? Which is why I have said that accuracy and specifics are required. Do you not understand that?

Stewart
You have access to many things but crystal balls you dont have although I have seen you walking in a strange way. You cannot say what anyone from any government dept might say or do or who they might consult in the future should these petitions progress to that stage..

[Trevor Marriott]

As of now 28 signatures obtained, only 99,972 to go.

What a great start and 56 on the world site. Onwards and upwards from now on dont forget there is no time limit these can run for 12 months.

I presume you havent signed then ?

[Stewart P Evans]

Not Into

Stewart
You have access to many things but crystal balls you dont have although I have seen you walking in a strange way. You cannot say what anyone from any government dept might say or do or who they might consult in the future should these petitions progress to that stage..

I am not into predicting the future, but some things are pretty obvious without having to be a clairvoyant. I cannot help the way that I walk.

[Stewart P Evans]

Good Luck

What a great start and 56 on the world site. Onwards and upwards from now on dont forget there is no time limit these can run for 12 months.
I presume you havent signed then ?

Good luck I say. No I have not signed, and the reasons for not signing should be pretty obvious. I don't wish to be regarded as some sort of crank.

[Trevor Marriott]

Good luck I say. No I have not signed, and the reasons for not signing should be pretty obvious. I don't wish to be regarded as some sort of crank.

Now who would ever dream of putting you into such a catergory

By the way are you going on the cartels annual day out at the seaside ?

Is it Brighton again ?

[Stewart P Evans]

I think...

What a great start and 56 on the world site. Onwards and upwards from now on dont forget there is no time limit these can run for 12 months.
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I think that you may need 12 years, not 12 months.

[Stewart P Evans]

Cartels

Now who would ever dream of putting you into such a catergory
By the way are you going on the cartels annual day out at the seaside ?
Is it Brighton again ?

I find those cartels so cramped to ride in that I prefer to go by car.

[Chris]

Good luck I say. No I have not signed, and the reasons for not signing should be pretty obvious. I don't wish to be regarded as some sort of crank.

Maybe that explains it. I know people already regard me as a 'crank,' so it doesn't bother me.

[PaulB]

Cutting through Trevor's typical nonsense, whatever one thinks of the merits of this petition, the point is that an unfocused and imprecise petition will almost certainly achieve nothing, whereas a properly targeted and tightly focused petition might achieve something. It's presumably too late for the latter and if the current petition nosedives then it'll have been an opportunity lost.

[Trevor Marriott]

I find those cartels so cramped to ride in that I prefer to go by car.

Are you all staying at the seaside home ?

And you will all sit round the table holding hands singing that well know song "memories ?

[Trevor Marriott]

Cutting through Trevor's typical nonsense, whatever one thinks of the merits of this petition, the point is that an unfocused and imprecise petition will almost certainly achieve nothing, whereas a properly targeted and tightly focused petition might achieve something. It's presumably too late for the latter and if the current petition nosedives then it'll have been an opportunity lost.

Well you seem to be the one with all the knowledge how come you didnt think of doing something like this ?

The petition wont nosedive if the likes of you and others from you cartel try to advance it by supporting it instead of keep pouring scorn on it.

[Stewart P Evans]

Well...

Maybe that explains it. I know people already regard me as a 'crank,' so it doesn't bother me.

Well, I know that you are not a crank Chris.

Ripperology in general already has a poor reputation. To suggest that the Whitechapel murders files and documents have been surrounded by 'unwarranted secrecy for over 120 years' is, quite frankly, a cranky idea, and is only one step removed from Royal conspiracy ideas.