E Petitions and Ripper Files and papers

[Jason]

think its fair to say that this thread does not come under the "covers itself in glory" category !!

[PaulB]

Well you seem to be the one with all the knowledge how come you didnt think of doing something like this ?

The petition wont nosedive if the likes of you and others from you cartel try to advance it by supporting it instead of keep pouring scorn on it.

There is no cartel and your insistence otherwise, along with the rest of your silly, childish comments, does nothing for your credibility, or your reasoning, such as it is, and the petition will nosedive whether I pour scorn on it or not. I sincerely hope it doesn't as I'm intrigued to see what's in the ledgers and other files too, but, as said, I think it is too unfocused and imprecise to achieve anything and that it is therefore a lost opportunity. You can think otherwise, it probably serves your self-publicity machine to do so.

[Stewart P Evans]

You should know...

Are you all staying at the seaside home ?
And you will all sit round the table holding hands singing that well know song "memories ?

You should know that the Seaside Home moved from Hove many years ago. Good idea for a song though.

[Stewart P Evans]

Well...

Maybe that explains it. I know people already regard me as a 'crank,' so it doesn't bother me.

Well, I know that you are not a crank Chris.

Ripperology in general already has a poor reputation. To suggest that the Whitechapel murders files and documents have been surrounded by 'unwarranted secrecy for over 120 years' is, quite frankly, a cranky idea, and is only one step removed from Royal conspiracy ideas.

[Trevor Marriott]

Cutting through Trevor's typical nonsense, whatever one thinks of the merits of this petition, the point is that an unfocused and imprecise petition will almost certainly achieve nothing, whereas a properly targeted and tightly focused petition might achieve something. It's presumably too late for the latter and if the current petition nosedives then it'll have been an opportunity lost.

Well you seem to be the one with all the knowledge how come you didnt think of doing something like this ?

The petition wont nosedive if the likes of you and others from you cartel try to advance it by supporting it instead of keep pouring scorn on it.

[Trevor Marriott]

I find those cartels so cramped to ride in that I prefer to go by car.

Are you all staying at the seaside home ?

And you will all sit round the table holding hands singing that well know song "memories ?

[PaulB]

Cutting through Trevor's typical nonsense, whatever one thinks of the merits of this petition, the point is that an unfocused and imprecise petition will almost certainly achieve nothing, whereas a properly targeted and tightly focused petition might achieve something. It's presumably too late for the latter and if the current petition nosedives then it'll have been an opportunity lost.

[Chris]

Good luck I say. No I have not signed, and the reasons for not signing should be pretty obvious. I don't wish to be regarded as some sort of crank.

Maybe that explains it. I know people already regard me as a 'crank,' so it doesn't bother me.

[Stewart P Evans]

Cartels

Now who would ever dream of putting you into such a catergory
By the way are you going on the cartels annual day out at the seaside ?
Is it Brighton again ?

I find those cartels so cramped to ride in that I prefer to go by car.

[Stewart P Evans]

I think...

What a great start and 56 on the world site. Onwards and upwards from now on dont forget there is no time limit these can run for 12 months.
...

I think that you may need 12 years, not 12 months.

[Trevor Marriott]

Good luck I say. No I have not signed, and the reasons for not signing should be pretty obvious. I don't wish to be regarded as some sort of crank.

Now who would ever dream of putting you into such a catergory

By the way are you going on the cartels annual day out at the seaside ?

Is it Brighton again ?

[Stewart P Evans]

Good Luck

What a great start and 56 on the world site. Onwards and upwards from now on dont forget there is no time limit these can run for 12 months.
I presume you havent signed then ?

Good luck I say. No I have not signed, and the reasons for not signing should be pretty obvious. I don't wish to be regarded as some sort of crank.

[Stewart P Evans]

Not Into

Stewart
You have access to many things but crystal balls you dont have although I have seen you walking in a strange way. You cannot say what anyone from any government dept might say or do or who they might consult in the future should these petitions progress to that stage..

I am not into predicting the future, but some things are pretty obvious without having to be a clairvoyant. I cannot help the way that I walk.

[Trevor Marriott]

As of now 28 signatures obtained, only 99,972 to go.

What a great start and 56 on the world site. Onwards and upwards from now on dont forget there is no time limit these can run for 12 months.

I presume you havent signed then ?

[Trevor Marriott]

If there are no particular files that you wish to access then you obviously do not have a problem in this regard. If you do not envisage doing any more Ripper research that would be Ripperology's loss and, I suspect, your gain.

The petition is calling for the 'declassification' and 'availability' of (as I have already shown) 'all hitherto unpublished files, documents and papers relating to these murders'. As is well known all the files relating, specifically, to the Whitechapel murders were released to the public many years ago. The reference to 'documents and papers' is rather more nebulous and could be deemed to cover any document at all filed under different categories, and with a material relating to other matters, but which contains mention of the murders.

Now put yourself in the position of a civil servant receiving this petition to deal with. What does he do? Obviously he checks all the recorded Whitechapel murders files and finds that they have been released to the public in the 1970s, earlier than their 100 years release date. He does not know which closed or confidential files may contain references to the murders. And on checking he will find no evidence of 'unwarranted secrecy' in relation to the Whitechapel murders. He will report such as his finding.

So unless you can define what you have put in your post as 'all related documents' then how on earth can an uninformed civil servant begin to devine what this petition relates to? Which is why I have said that accuracy and specifics are required. Do you not understand that?

Stewart
You have access to many things but crystal balls you dont have although I have seen you walking in a strange way. You cannot say what anyone from any government dept might say or do or who they might consult in the future should these petitions progress to that stage..