The Long Island Ripper

[RockySullivan]

Curious I think they have found two girls in NJ this year. At least one was dumped close proximity to AC4...same town...young girl staying at a motel..probably drugs n prostitution...killed with the exact LISK MO of dismemberment in suitcase. There also have been many murders in Florida with the dismemberment suitcase MO dating back many years that have been a suggested link to LISK.

[RockySullivan]

Hey guys I'm glad you responded! Curious... I'm not positive exactly when Hackett or Seaslug moved to Florida. I would say within the Past year and a half. They could be snow birds. If any of you are registered at websleuths I suggest browsing through all the Seaslug threads.

I will try to find more Info. Another thing I've been thinking is that LISK dismembered for years mostly unidentified and spread body parts far apart. But until he started dumping the identifiable AC4 and Gilgo4 no one even knew there was a SK. I think LISK studied the Ripper/Torso murders and he is emulating thinking of himself as the ripper of NYC. I think he is a ripperologist and it would be hard for me to believe he doesn't post on our forum. I don't see how he could resist.

[curious]

Regarding 'seaslug', pretty interesting information, especially considering it is again another beach locale and likely has isolated spots. "privacy near wetlands would be nice". hmm

Hi,
Interesting indeed!

Rocky, any idea when the two men relocated to Florida?

thx,

curious

[Beowulf]

Regarding 'seaslug', pretty interesting information, especially considering it is again another beach locale and likely has isolated spots. "privacy near wetlands would be nice". hmm

[curious]

Reading this forum has really helped me come up with no perspectives in this case. specifically people who inserted themselves into the investigation. Here are three suspicious people who have inserted themselves into the Long Island Ripper investigation:

1. The Tattoo Artist

In 1997 on Long Island a young woman was found dismembered in a suitcase. The police had no leads but when they published a photo of the "Peaches" a Connecticut tattoo artist came forward with information. He said he gave the girl a tattoo, she was a young girl with her aunt visiting from long island who said she was having boyfriend trouble. Now this sure sounds like a bullshit story to me! Many of the victims have tattoos and when the killer called John Terry over 30 times he talked about the tattoos Terry had on his back. So here you have a tattoo artist who inserted himself into the investigation.

2. The Mushroom Hunter

In July of 2003 Jessica Taylor's torso was found in Manorville. Later that year in November a mushroom hunter came forward and lead police to another body he had found in the area. It was the badly decomposed body of a male who was likely dumped by Jessica's killer around the same time. The Mushroom hunter said he found the body too weeks early but was "too terrified" to come forward but he kept "having nightmares". Now it doesn't get any more suspicious than that. Here you have someone who inserted themselves into the investigation again with a story that doesn't make sense.

3. Seaslug

Seaslug44 is a poster from the popular forum websleuths who frequently posted on the Long Island Serial Killer section. He also posted on utopiaguide which is a escort review forum used by Long Island Johns.

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Oct 25, 2005 - 30 posts - 20 authors
Old 10-25-2005, 02:20 PM. seaslug44. Bronze. Join Date: Jul 2005. Posts: 2 vCash: 500. Are you on LI or just in the city?

Seaslug owns a boat kept in the babylon marina on Ocean Parkway. Seaslug made this post on city data:

"Seaslug44 Seaslug44 started this thread

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Default Moving from Long Island, NY... Captiva or Sanibel?
Cheers.

I recently retired. Moved from Long Island, New York.

Currently renting on Sanibel Island but I think I would rather live on Captiva.

Anyone have some good advice for me?

I like to fish. Desire access to the ICW for my boat. Also need to be near an inlet to access the gulf for my long range offshore fishing trips too.

On another site someone suggested access to Tween???

I like to bird watch too so a neighborhood with privacy near wetlands would be nice. Do such neighborhoods exist around here? So far I just LOVE the people, the weather and the overall atmosphere.

SO GLAD I MOVED!!!!
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Very very strange considering Dr. Hackett a POI in the lisk recently relocated to Sanibel Island, Florida and now Seaslug appears to be there also. Too Many coincidences with Seaslug44 (Joseph Gargiulo)

The bird watching is significant because body parts were found in the JFK bird sanctuary on Jones Beach. Yikes!

Very Interesting post, Rocky.

Have there been any similar murders or disappearances since the two of them relocated?

curious

[curious]

Unforgettable

Did anyone else catch the "East of Islip" episode of CBS TV's "Unforgettable"? The team was solving a murder on the beach and kept referencing the Long Island Killer, but, of course, the case they were dealing with was solvable.

curious

[RockySullivan]

Reading this forum has really helped me come up with no perspectives in this case. specifically people who inserted themselves into the investigation. Here are three suspicious people who have inserted themselves into the Long Island Ripper investigation:

1. The Tattoo Artist

In 1997 on Long Island a young woman was found dismembered in a suitcase. The police had no leads but when they published a photo of the "Peaches" a Connecticut tattoo artist came forward with information. He said he gave the girl a tattoo, she was a young girl with her aunt visiting from long island who said she was having boyfriend trouble. Now this sure sounds like a bullshit story to me! Many of the victims have tattoos and when the killer called John Terry over 30 times he talked about the tattoos Terry had on his back. So here you have a tattoo artist who inserted himself into the investigation.

2. The Mushroom Hunter

In July of 2003 Jessica Taylor's torso was found in Manorville. Later that year in November a mushroom hunter came forward and lead police to another body he had found in the area. It was the badly decomposed body of a male who was likely dumped by Jessica's killer around the same time. The Mushroom hunter said he found the body too weeks early but was "too terrified" to come forward but he kept "having nightmares". Now it doesn't get any more suspicious than that. Here you have someone who inserted themselves into the investigation again with a story that doesn't make sense.

3. Seaslug

Seaslug44 is a poster from the popular forum websleuths who frequently posted on the Long Island Serial Killer section. He also posted on utopiaguide which is a escort review forum used by Long Island Johns.

The Special lives!! - UtopiaGuide
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Oct 25, 2005 - 30 posts - 20 authors
Old 10-25-2005, 02:20 PM. seaslug44. Bronze. Join Date: Jul 2005. Posts: 2 vCash: 500. Are you on LI or just in the city?

Seaslug owns a boat kept in the babylon marina on Ocean Parkway. Seaslug made this post on city data:

"Seaslug44 Seaslug44 started this thread

2 posts, read 810 times
Reputation: 10
Default Moving from Long Island, NY... Captiva or Sanibel?
Cheers.

I recently retired. Moved from Long Island, New York.

Currently renting on Sanibel Island but I think I would rather live on Captiva.

Anyone have some good advice for me?

I like to fish. Desire access to the ICW for my boat. Also need to be near an inlet to access the gulf for my long range offshore fishing trips too.

On another site someone suggested access to Tween???

I like to bird watch too so a neighborhood with privacy near wetlands would be nice. Do such neighborhoods exist around here? So far I just LOVE the people, the weather and the overall atmosphere.

SO GLAD I MOVED!!!!
Rate this post positively Reply With Quote"


Very very strange considering Dr. Hackett a POI in the lisk recently relocated to Sanibel Island, Florida and now Seaslug appears to be there also. Too Many coincidences with Seaslug44 (******* *******)

The bird watching is significant because body parts were found in the JFK bird sanctuary on Jones Beach. Yikes!

[RockySullivan]

This case reminds me of a modern day ripper. At least 4 of this SK victims were in the 34th st Penn station and 42nd st Port Authority vicinty. There are many many unidentified victims and I suspect many were found in the SK's hunting ground of Times Sq so they could be tourist, street people, anyone. I think like the ripper this SK uses the anonymity of the city as a shade and he;s able to find victims while hiding in plain sight.

It shouldnt however be too hard to find out who the SK is, proving it may be harder but figuring out who may be simple. 1. It has to be someone who spent a ton of time on Ocean Parkway so likely someone who grew up or whose family owned a business on ocean parkway. 2. The person is in Manhattan daily, most likely works right near Penn or 42nd near 8th avenue and either drives back to Long Island/NJ or takes the train.
3. Obsessive cell phone user. This is the person who calls and calls over and over like ocd.
4. Uses prostitutes frequently and probably in 90's and 2000's heavily frequented LI streetwalkers and was very involved in "mongering"
5. Obsessed with true crime tv, books n movies, obsessed with other SK's

Someone must know this person...can the SK be pinned down to living within a certain area near massapequa where melissa's phone pinged from? Whats the Manorville connection with the 6 bodies there?

[curious]

Does Lankowicz ring a bell to anyone? I saw the name somewhere i've been reading and searching so much intel..i didnt take notes and i cant seem to find what i saw involving that name

Hi, Anon,
I know nothing about Lankowicz. Have never seen the name that I recall.

Your Owen Smith interests me (Thank goodness he's dead so we can't be held for libel or slander) because he was a college professor in California and all the recent murders were in the summer -- when school would likely be on break . . .

A coincidence of timing, surely, but interesting, nonetheless.

But would he not have been too old for the latest killings?

curious

[Anonymous543]

Does Lankowicz ring a bell to anyone? I saw the name somewhere i've been reading and searching so much intel..i didnt take notes and i cant seem to find what i saw involving that name

[Anonymous543]

Just leaving this here since its a famous book about murder and it got reprinted by the arboretum where rifkin was and owen is. The unexpected guest and the mousetrap.




I can't seem to find a legal way, for me as a normal citizen, to confirm who and where is the real owen smith so see down below, i might not be the good one but if it is its also a coincidence that he voluntereed on a police force.

[Anonymous543]

And i wonder what Barry Shulman would think of this

[Anonymous543]

I was about to say i'll make a list of every place involved and/or that came across in one way or another with burlap bags/tissue/rolls/etc to restart a casebook investigation instead of relying on newspaper and imagination but then what?

We'll have a good long list to start with but, can we get employees names?

What about labour laws, law on access to information when its not about federal institutions? What about legal reasons, could one be a p.i., given a ''mandat'' and legally oblige companies to give out names since p.i.'s are legally obliged to protect information?

I know a lawyer, ill talk to him about it but are there any usa lawyers here willing to help???

[Anonymous543]

Hi, Anon,
You have obviously studied Rifkin much more than I have as I know nothing about this Owen person. I checked out Rifkin only in connection with the Long Island killings when his name came up in something I was reading.

Since it appears (again from my memory, so not always reliable) that Rifkin seemed to acknowledge those he had killed, I got the impression the writer tended to think the Long Island bodies belong to another killer. Very strange to consider two similar killers using the same dumping ground. I'm wondering if it's the same guy who just relocated after the first several, then moved back after none of his bodies were discovered. . .

just pondering here.

curious

Yeah indeed rifkin didnt even use burlap bags and the new victims got killed while he was in jail. I got carried away and propaged misinformation thats real bad. I hope a mod can please delete at least part of my old message since i cant seem to edit it. Initially i meant to talk about the rifkin/owen connection. Burlap bags access and family implication on owens part with the public security sector.

Rifkins jailed, he didnt kill the new victims. Owen knew a serial killer tho..and has access to burlap bags. Small connection but still one nonetheless you know..


1.1-Rifkin killed and hes jailed.
1.2-Rifkin got an intership in l.i. at the l.i. arboretum with burlap bags but didnt use them.
1.3-A new killer has emerged. He uses some burlap bags.



2.1-Owen Smith is at the arboretum which has some burlap bags.
2.2-Owen Smith is not jailed and he knew Rifkins.
2.3-Owen Smith is the son in-law of a public security figure.


As for the victims well its been said, easy prey..Kim Raffo one the victims of atlantic city, well her ex-husband(Auslander) is in construction. Both also lived in Long Island. In construction burlap bags can and are used especially for cement buckets....The guy now lives near a beach in florida from my understanding. But of course hes been investigated so....i want to leave him in peace but as for Owen or maybe some of his collegues/employees of the arboretum in Long Island....theres the burlap connection and i can only guess that since hes the son inlaw of some cia chief, police didnt want to bugger him too much or maybe even his employees/collegues.

[curious]

Oh my bad then sorry i should've readed more.

Well thoughts about the later victims..i'll read over the info because i think i have it all wrong.

I did once thought he could've been Owen since the guy has ties with the security sector, is rich and has access to burlap bags and runs parks around the sector (and knew rifkin real good) but then would he risk all AND..could he really be where he is now with such a devious pastime..That would be beyond BTK quality who worked with the police and participated in the searches of his own victims, kinda rare..i mean not that much but the president and son in-law of some cia chief to go on a killing spree only in the summer? Does that guy travel a lot? He could but i'd like proof.

I personnally think he must of found something interesting about Rifkin to get him an internship despite his criminal record. Why would a guy with ties to the security sector do that, its such a gamble business wise. Its contratry to what is teached in human ressources and business classes. It is also odd to seek media attention to talk about rifkin when he got arrested for murders. I would hide my face if i was owen and my friend/employee got arrested while i am the son in-law of the cia chief. I sure wouldnt talk to the media to say: oh he didnt fit in the others bla bla bla.

But then if he would be a rich guy AND a serial killer.....it would be dumb of him to seek media attention while not undercover right? Or maybe hes just that dumb once his ego kicks in just like all the others. Id love to know if he got investigated even if the odds are incrediblyyyyyyy low if not existant.

Hi, Anon,
You have obviously studied Rifkin much more than I have as I know nothing about this Owen person. I checked out Rifkin only in connection with the Long Island killings when his name came up in something I was reading.

Since it appears (again from my memory, so not always reliable) that Rifkin seemed to acknowledge those he had killed, I got the impression the writer tended to think the Long Island bodies belong to another killer. Very strange to consider two similar killers using the same dumping ground. I'm wondering if it's the same guy who just relocated after the first several, then moved back after none of his bodies were discovered. . .

just pondering here.

curious