The Long Island Ripper

[Brenda]

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Hi Rocky,
I'm one of the very few who believe there may be a link between the Torso killer and JTR. What that link is, exactly, I don't know. Maybe they knew each other?
One scenario I do entertain sometimes is that "Jack" may have been a split or multiple personality. Two (or more) different killers in the same body, perhaps looking for different ways of fulfilling their needs.

[John Wheat]

I'm not saying the Torso/Ripper have to be one. All I'm saying is once you realizet the LISK is dismembering and dumping/staging full bodies and switching between all different MO the argument that Jack/Torso can't be one because of the difference and overlap in MO goes out the window

To Rocky

I see what you are saying but Serial Killers changing there MO are exceptions to the rule rather than common place. I don't think the theoretical changing of MO between the Lisk and Dismemberment Killer has any effect what so ever as to wether Jack and The Torso Killer were one and the same. Having said that the Dismembering and leaving partial remains in a suitcase and dismembering of leaving a Torso in one place sound similar and could easily be the same killer. That same killer could also leave full bodies as well although I'm not totally convinced this is the case.

Cheers John

[RockySullivan]

I'm not saying the Torso/Ripper have to be one. All I'm saying is once you realizet the LISK is dismembering and dumping/staging full bodies and switching between all different MO the argument that Jack/Torso can't be one because of the difference and overlap in MO goes out the window

[John Wheat]

I hadnt thought the Ripper/Torso as one until I looked at it with the perspective of LISK case....and since I am sure that LISK/dismember are one...it starts to look like Ripper and Torso could be one also

To Rocky

I don't see how it follows that if the Lisk/Dismember are one and the same then the Ripper and Torso Killer are also one and the same. Also I still think one killer was responsible for the early Torso Killings of 1873-1874 and 1884 as well as 1887-1889. Jack the Ripper and the Torso killer also seem very different killers. In my opinion Jack a Working class killer and the Torso Killer ironically much closer to the Top Hated Toff that Jack the Ripper is often portrayed as in films and other fiction.

Cheers John

[curious]

True enough that we don't know if the Ripper/Torso were one and most believe not. But...I believe the LISK thought of them as one and studied all the Torso/Ripper as the MO of one killer and this is the method he has used over the past 20 years.

I hadnt thought the Ripper/Torso as one until I looked at it with the perspective of LISK case....and since I am sure that LISK/dismember are one...it starts to look like Ripper and Torso could be one also

Thanks, Rocky,
I'm going to have to mull this over a bit.

curious

[RockySullivan]

True enough that we don't know if the Ripper/Torso were one and most believe not. But...I believe the LISK thought of them as one and studied all the Torso/Ripper as the MO of one killer and this is the method he has used over the past 20 years.

I hadnt thought the Ripper/Torso as one until I looked at it with the perspective of LISK case....and since I am sure that LISK/dismember are one...it starts to look like Ripper and Torso could be one also

[John Wheat]

but do u see my point about how if we could imagine the ripper/torso as one SK it would be similar to the LISK's method

I see your point but I don't believe the Ripper and the Torso Killer were the same Serial Killer. However I wouldn't profess to know enough about the Lisk Killer and the Dismemberment Killer as to wether the Lisk Killer and the Dismemberment Killer were one and the same.

Cheers John

[curious]

but do u see my point about how if we could imagine the ripper/torso as one SK it would be similar to the LISK's method

Hi, Rocky,
I do see that if the ripper and torso killers were instead one man, then that SK becomes similar to what is happening on Long Island.

I'm not sure I can believe either one is just one killer.

curious

[RockySullivan]

but do u see my point about how if we could imagine the ripper/torso as one SK it would be similar to the LISK's method

[curious]

I'm not sure the SK kills near 42nd street, but it's possible if he has an apt or studio or some kind of private place near there. Too me it's all to clear that the dismember killer and the LISK are the same. It just seems like this SK has a few different ways of killing. There are 3 methods I can think of:

1. Dismembering with partial remains in suitcase

2. Dismembering and leaving a torso one place...skull in another

3. Leaving bodies full bodies

Now all these methods overlap and have clear connections to each other. Jessica Taylors skull was left with the gilgo 4 along ocean parkway. And now we have the latest victim were the SK uses the dismembering in suitcase method in Egg Harbor Township, NJ the same exact town where he left the bodies of 4 women in 2006 behind a motel.

very interesting, thanks

[RockySullivan]

Rocky,
This sounds like two different killers, doesn't it? I got the impression that the girls were contacted, then went out to LI.

So how would that tie in to the girls missing from 42nd St.? I know the calls to one of the victims' sister were made from Times Square, but that doesn't mean (to me, anyway) that he would pick up women and kill them near 42nd.

I also don't see a dismemberment killer being the same one as one who dumps a whole body. Can you please explain how you're seeing this?

Very interesting case, and you appear to have really studied it. I appreciate reading your take on things.

curious

I'm not sure the SK kills near 42nd street, but it's possible if he has an apt or studio or some kind of private place near there. Too me it's all to clear that the dismember killer and the LISK are the same. It just seems like this SK has a few different ways of killing. There are 3 methods I can think of:

1. Dismembering with partial remains in suitcase

2. Dismembering and leaving a torso one place...skull in another

3. Leaving bodies full bodies

Now all these methods overlap and have clear connections to each other. Jessica Taylors skull was left with the gilgo 4 along ocean parkway. And now we have the latest victim were the SK uses the dismembering in suitcase method in Egg Harbor Township, NJ the same exact town where he left the bodies of 4 women in 2006 behind a motel.

[RockySullivan]

This thread is incredibly interesting.

I'm not sure I'm following but are you guys saying that the LISK and a serial killer in Florida may be one and the same?

I am going to go back through the thread and read all the links you guys have posted. I've been on Websleuths before, I am thinking this may take all weekend to read!

It is just my thinking that whoever the killer is, he did not live full time where the bodies were found. I really feel that he probably owns a summer home, and that it may have been in his family for a long time. That he probably grew up spending summers there and knows the area very well.

It's possible the SK has killed FL it's a similar MO. Many of the persons of interest have FL connections. A number of Oak Beach residents are snowbirds or people who live in FL for the winter and NY for the summer.

[curious]

http://www.miaminewtimes.com/2007-05...tcase-murders/

Curious here is an informative article about the FL SK. It's dated 2007 so I'm not sure how many murders since then. But 2007 is the year the first gilgo4 girl went missing from port authority. Port Authority and Penn station are recurring locations we find with The SK. His calls are from there and many Vic's went missing from there. It stands to reason many of the unidentified makes n females may have gone missing from midtown. The missing posters seem to be adding up lately around NYC. Every time I see a flyer with " last seen 42nd st" I cringe.

Rocky,
This sounds like two different killers, doesn't it? I got the impression that the girls were contacted, then went out to LI.

So how would that tie in to the girls missing from 42nd St.? I know the calls to one of the victims' sister were made from Times Square, but that doesn't mean (to me, anyway) that he would pick up women and kill them near 42nd.

I also don't see a dismemberment killer being the same one as one who dumps a whole body. Can you please explain how you're seeing this?

Very interesting case, and you appear to have really studied it. I appreciate reading your take on things.

curious

[Brenda]

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This thread is incredibly interesting.

I'm not sure I'm following but are you guys saying that the LISK and a serial killer in Florida may be one and the same?

I am going to go back through the thread and read all the links you guys have posted. I've been on Websleuths before, I am thinking this may take all weekend to read!

It is just my thinking that whoever the killer is, he did not live full time where the bodies were found. I really feel that he probably owns a summer home, and that it may have been in his family for a long time. That he probably grew up spending summers there and knows the area very well.

[Beowulf]

So many are missing from 42st? Supposedly they cleaned that up during Trump's reign. Back to the 70s?

I lived, or better term yet, survived, in NYC in the 70s.

42st...Whitechapel, same ideas, different location and time.

No dark alleys on the great white way but I saw the girls walking and standing under the street lights and like the girls in Whitechapel they know where to lead a John.

It's hard to imagine how one could go missing amongst such a throng of people so close by.

Btw, Seaslugg44 hasn't posted since Aug 2013.