The Long Island Ripper

[GUT]

G'day Brenda

.....dumping that body under new Scotland Yard just screams RIPPER! to me....a big BIG joke on the police.

What jokes on the police do you credit Jack with?

[Brenda]

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Location and Jack seemed to thrive on getting away with the murders under the nose of the police. dumping under new scotland yard seems like something he might do

Hi Rocky,
That's the One Big Thing that keeps me wondering if the Ripper/Torso Murderer could possibly be one and the same.....dumping that body under new Scotland Yard just screams RIPPER! to me....a big BIG joke on the police.

[Fisherman]

Location and Jack seemed to thrive on getting away with the murders under the nose of the police. dumping under new scotland yard seems like something he might do

Perhaps so - but the Scotland Yard torso and the Pinchin Street torso were not one and the same. And as I undertood things, you thought that the Pinchin Street torso was the most "Ripperresque"...?

The best,
Fisherman

[RockySullivan]

Location and Jack seemed to thrive on getting away with the murders under the nose of the police. dumping under new scotland yard seems like something he might do

[Fisherman]

But i'd say the pinchin st torso is one of the more Ripperesque

So what are you thinking of, especially; the bodily damages or the geographical disposal site?

The best,
Fisherman

[RockySullivan]

To Rocky

I suggest that soon after Mary Jane Kelly's murder the Ripper was incarcerated for another crime or died in some circumstance possibly both. That would explain why he stopped after Mary Jane Kelly.

Cheers John

But i'd say the pinchin st torso is one of the more Ripperesque

[RockySullivan]

If he has, then that man would ideally have been born somewhere around 1849 ...

The best,
Fisherman

Which makes the Ripper about 40 at the time of the Ripper murders which seems pretty accurate. Dismembering seems more likely with a serial killers early victims because he's not as confident and he may not have developed a way of hunting victims that he cannot be connected to yet

[RockySullivan]

That would be very similar to the LISK's MO. The dismembering starts around 1996 which is about 10 to 15 years before the AC and Gilgo

[Fisherman]

To Rocky

I assume you have the same man responsible for the early Torso Killings of 1873-74 and 1884 as well as the 1887-89 Torso Killings?

Cheers John

If he has, then that man would ideally have been born somewhere around 1849 ...

The best,
Fisherman

[John Wheat]

IMHO the ripper honed his "skillz" with years of practice and the dismembering are only make sense.

To Rocky

I assume you have the same man responsible for the early Torso Killings of 1873-74 and 1884 as well as the 1887-89 Torso Killings?

Cheers John

[John Wheat]

To Rocky

I suggest that soon after Mary Jane Kelly's murder the Ripper was incarcerated for another crime or died in some circumstance possibly both. That would explain why he stopped after Mary Jane Kelly.

Cheers John

[RockySullivan]

If the ripper is not torso then where are his other victims. No SK is gonna start then stop with 5. The Ripper murders are the work of a very calculated killer. One who in my opinion was so confident in his murdering and mutilation he was able to do it in the dark in minutes, silently with others around.

IMHO the ripper honed his "skillz" with years of practice and the dismembering are only make sense. Especially becuz his comfort in whitechapel says local to me so I wouldn't be looking for a traveler or visitor. Logically it's gotta be him or where are the victims?

[John Wheat]

To Brenda/Abbey

Surely before considering wether Jack and The Torso Killer were one and the same. Wether the Torso Killer was responsible for the early Torso Murders of 1873-1874 and 1884 needs to be considered.

Cheers John

[Abby Normal]

Hi Rocky,
I'm one of the very few who believe there may be a link between the Torso killer and JTR. What that link is, exactly, I don't know. Maybe they knew each other?
One scenario I do entertain sometimes is that "Jack" may have been a split or multiple personality. Two (or more) different killers in the same body, perhaps looking for different ways of fulfilling their needs.

Hi Brenda
I'm actually one of the few who think that JtR and the torso might be one and the same. A seemingly overlooked fact is that ALL of the torso victims had signs of abdominal mutilations.

If they were one in the same I have posited in the past that the torso victims were when he could bring them home and the seemingly different MO of dismemberment was for ease of removing the bodies, and the ripper victims were during a time when he could not bring them home and had to kill them on the street.

It seems to me that the odds would be rather slim that there would be two separate serial killers operating at roughly the same time frame in the same area that targeted the same victim type and included the use of a knife/cutting tool in an era when serial killing was rare.

[Penhalion]

Its unlikely that JtR had Multiple Personality Disorder or as it is currently known Dissociative Identity Disorder. The number of people with true multiple personalities is very small. Generally the various personalities are very different from each other as they serve different defensive purposes for the psyche. IF someone had multiple personalities it is very unlikely that more than one would be murderous.