The Long Island Ripper

[Fisherman]

To Fisherman

Ripper suspect Wentworth Bellsmith was born in 1849 and interestingly enough was in London in 1873. Also Bellsmith left England in 1891 moving to New York.
Which puts him around at the right time for all the Torso Murders. I'm not saying he was the Torso Killer just that I consider him a suspect for the Torso Murders.

Cheers John

Bellsmith? I need to check him out! My own bid is of course Charles Allen Lechmere, the man who alledgedly "found" Polly Nichols, who gave his name as Cross to the police, and who seemingly fooled PC Mizen on the murder night. To add, his route to work took him past or close to Hanbury Street and Dorset Street. Plus he had lived in Pinchin Street, and had his mother was living in 147 Cable Street, a stone´s throw from the dumping site. And his mother was a cat´s meat woman, meaning that she had access to bone saws and such things. Incidentally, the route from his home to his mother´s place would take him past Berner Street, and Stride was killed on a Saturday night, Lechmere´s night off. And Eddowes died very close to Broad Street, where he had his working place. Which means that PC Long´s assertion that the apron was not in Goulston Street at 2.20 on the murder night may have an explanation in Lechmere going to Broad Street to deposit his trophies and wash up. After that, a brisk walk from Broad Street to his home at Doveton Street would easily take him past ... guess what? Yep, Goulston Street.

Not a bad bid, as Ripper bids go.

The best,
Fisherman

[GUT]

G'day Brenda

The Hitlers are the men That Will not be Blamed for nothing

[Brenda]

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Thanks for that.

I have a view on Jack and Torso, but it keeps changing.

I see what you are getting at but it really depends on what of those are really the work of the killer.

Yes if he wrote letters, including Lusk, if he posed victims, if he planted the apron and/or wrote graffiti he was perhaps playing with the police.

But if he wrote nothing, the bodes were where they fell and facial cuts were just frenzy the playing with the police is nothing but an assumption.


However that applies to everything n the case.

It is truly the world's most maddening case! I got started with it in 2003 and it has driven me insane ever since.

p.s. I blame Hitler for all of it. If he hadn't been bombing London, maybe more records on the case would have survived!

[RockySullivan]

Perhaps so - but the Scotland Yard torso and the Pinchin Street torso were not one and the same. And as I undertood things, you thought that the Pinchin Street torso was the most "Ripperresque"...?

The best,
Fisherman

Right sorry man I was getting confused. I still say pinchin tho cuz the dump site is very similar to the ripper murder sites little nooks n crannies within the city

[GUT]

G'day Brenda

Thanks for that.

I have a view on Jack and Torso, but it keeps changing.

I see what you are getting at but it really depends on what of those are really the work of the killer.

Yes if he wrote letters, including Lusk, if he posed victims, if he planted the apron and/or wrote graffiti he was perhaps playing with the police.

But if he wrote nothing, the bodes were where they fell and facial cuts were just frenzy the playing with the police is nothing but an assumption.

However that applies to everything n the case.

[Brenda]

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G'day Brenda



What jokes on the police do you credit Jack with?

Hi GUT

Well, first of all I do think think Jack enjoyed his notoriety....and I feel that was a factor in the his mutilations "escalating".

I think he got a big rush from killing these ladies in the middle of big old London and no one caught him. Especially the police!

I think poor Catherine Eddowes' facial mutilations (clown-like) were meant to be a taunt of sorts.

I also think there is some kind of taunt/riddle behind the Goulston Graffito....if it is in fact related to the murders.

If one buys into the Eddowes kidney incident, then I do believe whoever the Ripper was viewed poor Mr. Lusk as an authority figure and hated him.

Dumping a body under the Scotland Yard construction site...that's just sending a great big PBBBBBBBBBT! to the police!

All of the above is just opinion though.

[John Wheat]

If he has, then that man would ideally have been born somewhere around 1849

To Fisherman

Ripper suspect Wentworth Bellsmith was born in 1849 and interestingly enough was in London in 1873. Also Bellsmith left England in 1891 moving to New York.
Which puts him around at the right time for all the Torso Murders. I'm not saying he was the Torso Killer just that I consider him a suspect for the Torso Murders.

Cheers John

[GUT]

G'day Brenda

.....dumping that body under new Scotland Yard just screams RIPPER! to me....a big BIG joke on the police.

What jokes on the police do you credit Jack with?

[Brenda]

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Location and Jack seemed to thrive on getting away with the murders under the nose of the police. dumping under new scotland yard seems like something he might do

Hi Rocky,
That's the One Big Thing that keeps me wondering if the Ripper/Torso Murderer could possibly be one and the same.....dumping that body under new Scotland Yard just screams RIPPER! to me....a big BIG joke on the police.

[Fisherman]

Location and Jack seemed to thrive on getting away with the murders under the nose of the police. dumping under new scotland yard seems like something he might do

Perhaps so - but the Scotland Yard torso and the Pinchin Street torso were not one and the same. And as I undertood things, you thought that the Pinchin Street torso was the most "Ripperresque"...?

The best,
Fisherman

[RockySullivan]

Location and Jack seemed to thrive on getting away with the murders under the nose of the police. dumping under new scotland yard seems like something he might do

[Fisherman]

But i'd say the pinchin st torso is one of the more Ripperesque

So what are you thinking of, especially; the bodily damages or the geographical disposal site?

The best,
Fisherman

[RockySullivan]

To Rocky

I suggest that soon after Mary Jane Kelly's murder the Ripper was incarcerated for another crime or died in some circumstance possibly both. That would explain why he stopped after Mary Jane Kelly.

Cheers John

But i'd say the pinchin st torso is one of the more Ripperesque

[RockySullivan]

If he has, then that man would ideally have been born somewhere around 1849 ...

The best,
Fisherman

Which makes the Ripper about 40 at the time of the Ripper murders which seems pretty accurate. Dismembering seems more likely with a serial killers early victims because he's not as confident and he may not have developed a way of hunting victims that he cannot be connected to yet

[RockySullivan]

That would be very similar to the LISK's MO. The dismembering starts around 1996 which is about 10 to 15 years before the AC and Gilgo