The Long Island Ripper

[RockySullivan]

Yeah indeed rifkin didnt even use burlap bags and the new victims got killed while he was in jail. I got carried away and propaged misinformation thats real bad. I hope a mod can please delete at least part of my old message since i cant seem to edit it. Initially i meant to talk about the rifkin/owen connection. Burlap bags access and family implication on owens part with the public security sector.

Rifkins jailed, he didnt kill the new victims. Owen knew a serial killer tho..and has access to burlap bags. Small connection but still one nonetheless you know..


1.1-Rifkin killed and hes jailed.
1.2-Rifkin got an intership in l.i. at the l.i. arboretum with burlap bags but didnt use them.
1.3-A new killer has emerged. He uses some burlap bags.



2.1-Owen Smith is at the arboretum which has some burlap bags.
2.2-Owen Smith is not jailed and he knew Rifkins.
2.3-Owen Smith is the son in-law of a public security figure.


As for the victims well its been said, easy prey..Kim Raffo one the victims of atlantic city, well her ex-husband(Auslander) is in construction. Both also lived in Long Island. In construction burlap bags can and are used especially for cement buckets....The guy now lives near a beach in florida from my understanding. But of course hes been investigated so....i want to leave him in peace but as for Owen or maybe some of his collegues/employees of the arboretum in Long Island....theres the burlap connection and i can only guess that since hes the son inlaw of some cia chief, police didnt want to bugger him too much or maybe even his employees/collegues.

How do you know rifkin had access to burlap at the arboretum? I read that rifkin used Bissett nursery for his landscaping business, do you know if this is false? Bissett committed suicide and his nursery was said by locals to be searched in connection to the LISK case. I wonder why rifkin never used burlap, probably because his sources of burlap could be traced. There was a serial killer Allen Gormely 1990 Long Island killed prostitues and dumped in laundry bags. The LISK has been known to dispose of victims in laundry bags a number of times. I think gormely was caught because his uncles initials were in the bag.

[RockySullivan]

http://nypost.com/2015/01/04/cops-find-torso-floating-in-brooklyn-creek/

Police made a grizzly discovery in the waters near a south Brooklyn park Sunday night — a floating hand.
Authorities responded to 911 calls of a hand found in a creek inside Calvert Vaux Park close to Shore Parkway and Bay 46th Street in Gravesend around 5:30 p.m., cops said.
Police have not yet identified, who the hand belonged to and believe it to have been in the water for a while.

[Brenda]

And his mother was a catīs meat woman, meaning that she had access to bone saws and such things.

Hmmm....the folks at Hanbury St were plying a cat's meat trade as well. Wonder if the two families knew each other? That could explain Mr. JTR feeling so secure taking a victim into the back yard.

[John Wheat]

To Fisherman

Thanks for the reply. There is some good research into Wentworth Bellsmith on the old forums. Much of the research done by Chris Scott. Charles Allen Lechmere sounds like an interesting fellow will check him out.

Cheers John

[Brenda]

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The Hitlers are the men That Will not be Blamed for nothing

hahaha just further proof that when you decided to do wrong, you can never know just how far your wrong doing will affect!

[Fisherman]

To Fisherman

Ripper suspect Wentworth Bellsmith was born in 1849 and interestingly enough was in London in 1873. Also Bellsmith left England in 1891 moving to New York.
Which puts him around at the right time for all the Torso Murders. I'm not saying he was the Torso Killer just that I consider him a suspect for the Torso Murders.

Cheers John

Bellsmith? I need to check him out! My own bid is of course Charles Allen Lechmere, the man who alledgedly "found" Polly Nichols, who gave his name as Cross to the police, and who seemingly fooled PC Mizen on the murder night. To add, his route to work took him past or close to Hanbury Street and Dorset Street. Plus he had lived in Pinchin Street, and had his mother was living in 147 Cable Street, a stoneīs throw from the dumping site. And his mother was a catīs meat woman, meaning that she had access to bone saws and such things. Incidentally, the route from his home to his motherīs place would take him past Berner Street, and Stride was killed on a Saturday night, Lechmereīs night off. And Eddowes died very close to Broad Street, where he had his working place. Which means that PC Longīs assertion that the apron was not in Goulston Street at 2.20 on the murder night may have an explanation in Lechmere going to Broad Street to deposit his trophies and wash up. After that, a brisk walk from Broad Street to his home at Doveton Street would easily take him past ... guess what? Yep, Goulston Street.

Not a bad bid, as Ripper bids go.

The best,
Fisherman

[GUT]

G'day Brenda

The Hitlers are the men That Will not be Blamed for nothing

[Brenda]

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Thanks for that.

I have a view on Jack and Torso, but it keeps changing.

I see what you are getting at but it really depends on what of those are really the work of the killer.

Yes if he wrote letters, including Lusk, if he posed victims, if he planted the apron and/or wrote graffiti he was perhaps playing with the police.

But if he wrote nothing, the bodes were where they fell and facial cuts were just frenzy the playing with the police is nothing but an assumption.


However that applies to everything n the case.

It is truly the world's most maddening case! I got started with it in 2003 and it has driven me insane ever since.

p.s. I blame Hitler for all of it. If he hadn't been bombing London, maybe more records on the case would have survived!

[RockySullivan]

Perhaps so - but the Scotland Yard torso and the Pinchin Street torso were not one and the same. And as I undertood things, you thought that the Pinchin Street torso was the most "Ripperresque"...?

The best,
Fisherman

Right sorry man I was getting confused. I still say pinchin tho cuz the dump site is very similar to the ripper murder sites little nooks n crannies within the city

[GUT]

G'day Brenda

Thanks for that.

I have a view on Jack and Torso, but it keeps changing.

I see what you are getting at but it really depends on what of those are really the work of the killer.

Yes if he wrote letters, including Lusk, if he posed victims, if he planted the apron and/or wrote graffiti he was perhaps playing with the police.

But if he wrote nothing, the bodes were where they fell and facial cuts were just frenzy the playing with the police is nothing but an assumption.

However that applies to everything n the case.

[Brenda]

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G'day Brenda



What jokes on the police do you credit Jack with?

Hi GUT

Well, first of all I do think think Jack enjoyed his notoriety....and I feel that was a factor in the his mutilations "escalating".

I think he got a big rush from killing these ladies in the middle of big old London and no one caught him. Especially the police!

I think poor Catherine Eddowes' facial mutilations (clown-like) were meant to be a taunt of sorts.

I also think there is some kind of taunt/riddle behind the Goulston Graffito....if it is in fact related to the murders.

If one buys into the Eddowes kidney incident, then I do believe whoever the Ripper was viewed poor Mr. Lusk as an authority figure and hated him.

Dumping a body under the Scotland Yard construction site...that's just sending a great big PBBBBBBBBBT! to the police!

All of the above is just opinion though.

[John Wheat]

If he has, then that man would ideally have been born somewhere around 1849

To Fisherman

Ripper suspect Wentworth Bellsmith was born in 1849 and interestingly enough was in London in 1873. Also Bellsmith left England in 1891 moving to New York.
Which puts him around at the right time for all the Torso Murders. I'm not saying he was the Torso Killer just that I consider him a suspect for the Torso Murders.

Cheers John

[GUT]

G'day Brenda

.....dumping that body under new Scotland Yard just screams RIPPER! to me....a big BIG joke on the police.

What jokes on the police do you credit Jack with?

[Brenda]

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Location and Jack seemed to thrive on getting away with the murders under the nose of the police. dumping under new scotland yard seems like something he might do

Hi Rocky,
That's the One Big Thing that keeps me wondering if the Ripper/Torso Murderer could possibly be one and the same.....dumping that body under new Scotland Yard just screams RIPPER! to me....a big BIG joke on the police.

[Fisherman]

Location and Jack seemed to thrive on getting away with the murders under the nose of the police. dumping under new scotland yard seems like something he might do

Perhaps so - but the Scotland Yard torso and the Pinchin Street torso were not one and the same. And as I undertood things, you thought that the Pinchin Street torso was the most "Ripperresque"...?

The best,
Fisherman