Crippen to be Exhumed?

[ghoulstonstreet]

Calling All Crippen Film Copies

This is all I can find out about the programme it was made in 2004 I have it on tape it would be interesting to know what the people involed think of the recent developments

http://ftvdb.bfi.org.uk/sift/title/797507

The authorities hate having to admit they're wrong as they had to with Timothy Evans

And with one as notorious as this

Thank you. I gues this means we can't watch it. If somebody out there has a copy of this British-based doc on Crippen would you please put it on YouTube and let us know so we can watch it? Thanks

[ghoulstonstreet]

Thanks for the input. I, too, live in the States and of course we're ground zero for the wife and girlfriend killers and I've read plenty of true crime books about them. My gut feeling on Crippen tho is that not all was on the up an up. Also, he didn't seem the type. Just didn't wash that he could be so kind, warm and affectionate and then... On the other hand, I admit that his previous behavior regarding the bogus medicines shows a disconnect regarding other people's suffering. That is, somebody who sells fakes or performs phony medical treatment is showing that he is a sociopath. He's not caring about other people, repeatedly. This type sometimes becomes a killer.

[belinda]

Hi. I believe you can see this on your computer. We have a show in the US called Secrets of the Dead. It has many episodes. The one regarding the modern DNA work on Crippen's case can be reached by typing in https://www.pbs.org/wnet/secrets/epi...-in-error/198/
(the preview of my post cut off some of the url. It should read ...secrets/episodes/executed-in-error/198/)

I found it compelling yet it also opens more holes, more mysteries. I believe the UK authorities are reluctant to retest because they may find that Crippen was indeed executed in error or prematurely. Does everyone remember that in the 50s the wrong man was executed in Britain for Christie's crimes? I don't believe the authorities would want another such case coming to light.The essence of the question in Crippen's case is, why would he expend so much energy getting rid of all the bones and the head and then leave ONLY the incriminating bit of flesh with the "scar" on it, plus some incriminating clothing, in the basement? This has always disturbed me but now finally some folks in authority are calling it into question. Watch the show if you can get it to come on via the computer. Are you aware of why there is this controversy involving the MSU scientists and this attorney for the descendant, James Crippen? I really would like to understand what that's all about. Thanks

This is all I can find out about the programme it was made in 2004 I have it on tape it would be interesting to know what the people involed think of the recent developments

http://ftvdb.bfi.org.uk/sift/title/797507

The authorities hate having to admit they're wrong as they had to with Timothy Evans

And with one as notorious as this

[Archaic]

Okay, I know I'm asking for trouble here, but I have always suspected that Crippen was railroaded by persons unknown. One question I've always had is why didn't he simply get a divorce? He was the breadwinner - he could have re-established himself again with Ethel. He was humiliated and used by Cora unceasingly. What do the old fashioned words mean "she won't give me a divorce"? I thought Henry VIII fixed all that.

Hi, Ghoulston. Unfortunately, some men do choose murder over divorce.

There are many reasons why Crippen might have done so (as I believe he did): If he divorced Cora, she would get a large monetary settlement from him. She would also take her furs, jewels etc- all of which Crippen enjoyed lavishing upon his young girlfriend as soon as Cora was dead.

But the other aspect you have to bear in mind is that a man who would rather secretly murder his wife than divorce her has something seriously wrong inside his own psyche.
He's jealous, angry, spiteful, etc., and not thinking clearly...That's why most people like him are caught.
They make a mistake somewhere. Usually it's because the spouse is reported missing and the body is eventually found, as happened in Crippen's case.

There are cases I know of here in the states where one man killed 2 or 3 wives in a row, or killed a girlfriend who wanted to break up with him and then years later his wife when she wanted a divorce. Maybe it's the "I-Me-Mine" concept run amuck.

This kind of murder isn't going to make perfect sense to an outsider, because murdering one's spouse isn't a sensible option, and the chances of getting away with it are slim. The "reasons" for the murder lie within the diseased psyche of the killer.

Best regards, Archaic

[jmenges]

There used to be a thread called Crippen Innocent? -or something like that- created after the initial claims of MSU were revealed in a press release. I believe that was pre-crash and all is lost.

A follow up discussion thread stemming from the TV documentary can be found here:

http://forum.casebook.org/showthread.php?t=939

JM

[ghoulstonstreet]

Stephano

Forgot to ask- So the deal is that Mr. Crippen (Patrick) had unfortunatley hired this Italian attorney(?) Stephano and he's a bit of a sloppy operator?

[ghoulstonstreet]

What about Justice?

Here is a portion of my email correspondence with MSU's Dr. David Foran from October of 2007:

Q- I obtained from the website of the Italian law firm
www.studiolegaleinternazionale.com a chart that details Cora Crippen's
family tree. The only problem is that the graphic is wholly illegible
due to its size and the names and dates of the relatives are not able
to be read. Could you possibly provide me with a decent quality chart
of her family tree so I have a better understanding of Cora's siblings
and half-siblings and their children?

A- I have specifically and very plainly requested that any mention or inclusion of my name, my laboratory, or my University (Michigan State University, and their misspelling of it) be wholly omitted from that document, in that I in no way support or condone their efforts. I have made this very plain to Mr. Trestrail, and he has claimed to have made it plain to Mr. Di Stefano. I believe Ms. Wills also requested that her name be removed, but she can address that.
Certainly I did not in any manner give permission to be associated with Mr. Di Stefano, his website, or his scheme. The number of errors in that application, from the misnamed university to Mr. Trestrail's title, show what sloppy work Mr. Di Stefano conducts. Once again, neither I, my laboratory, my Departments, nor Michigan State University in any way support Mr. Di Stefano's efforts, and again request that mention of any of these, as well as any 'team' support for his efforts, through which I and the above are directly or indirectly implied, be fully removed from this and all further documents, releases, or statements.

Notice the non-answer to my question. Any mentioning of details of the family genealogy is bound to bring up more questions, as myself and researcher Debra Ariff have discovered.

But nevertheless...

Di Stefano is now (or was) representing the Crippen descendant in the pardon and body reburial effort stemming from the claims of MSU. In the above email Dr. Foran says quite clearly that they are opposed to this effort.

Fast forward 2 years and the parties are sharing screen time in a sensational documentary. So much for avoiding any appearance of support for his efforts...directly or indirectly implied.

JM

I happen to be something of a stickler for the truth. I believe that if there is reasonable concern regarding Crippen's guilt all the facts should be explored. I resent these various folks playing fast and loose. You've seen the Secrets show? It's well done, it states in no unclear terms that the tests on the slide conducted and retested by Dr. Foran, who is interviewed at length, is of a MALE. States in NO UNCLEAR terms, and the show clearly explains why the body parts might have been planted (Dew messed up with the Ripper but could redeem himself with Crippen), and why it is so illogical for a man to BURN bones in a lengthy process but bury one incriminating piece of flesh bearing a "scar" that could be asumed to be Cora's, plus an incriminating pajama top. There is a whole lot here that doesn't wash and I think it's wrong to let this man (crippen) continue to go down in history vilified unless there is reasonable evidence to confirm the conviction. Why is Dr. Foran backpedalling, or needing to address a non-subject? The legalities are not his field. What trouble can he get into, or can Wills get into by reiterating wnat's already on tape? I don't get these people.
Please fill me in on the other researcher you mentioned, Miss Arif. What steps are you and she taking, if any right now? I was distressed to see that the Crown did not think Mr. James Crippen WORTHY of being an interested party. That's because they don't want to be found guilty of hanging the wrong guy and also they don't want to lose their tourist attraction. Shame.

[jmenges]

Here is a portion of my email correspondence with MSU's Dr. David Foran from October of 2007:

Q- I obtained from the website of the Italian law firm
www.studiolegaleinternazionale.com a chart that details Cora Crippen's
family tree. The only problem is that the graphic is wholly illegible
due to its size and the names and dates of the relatives are not able
to be read. Could you possibly provide me with a decent quality chart
of her family tree so I have a better understanding of Cora's siblings
and half-siblings and their children?

A- I have specifically and very plainly requested that any mention or inclusion of my name, my laboratory, or my University (Michigan State University, and their misspelling of it) be wholly omitted from that document, in that I in no way support or condone their efforts. I have made this very plain to Mr. Trestrail, and he has claimed to have made it plain to Mr. Di Stefano. I believe Ms. Wills also requested that her name be removed, but she can address that.
Certainly I did not in any manner give permission to be associated with Mr. Di Stefano, his website, or his scheme. The number of errors in that application, from the misnamed university to Mr. Trestrail's title, show what sloppy work Mr. Di Stefano conducts. Once again, neither I, my laboratory, my Departments, nor Michigan State University in any way support Mr. Di Stefano's efforts, and again request that mention of any of these, as well as any 'team' support for his efforts, through which I and the above are directly or indirectly implied, be fully removed from this and all further documents, releases, or statements.

Notice the non-answer to my question. Any mentioning of details of the family genealogy is bound to bring up more questions, as myself and researcher Debra Ariff have discovered.

But nevertheless...

Di Stefano is now (or was) representing the Crippen descendant in the pardon and body reburial effort stemming from the claims of MSU. In the above email Dr. Foran says quite clearly that they are opposed to this effort.

Fast forward 2 years and the parties are sharing screen time in a sensational documentary. So much for avoiding any appearance of support for his efforts...directly or indirectly implied.

JM

[ghoulstonstreet]

Please expand on this statement that Stephano is the lawyer with whom MSU wanted no relationship. I would like to know what the beef was there. From the surface it looks like these two and crippen's descendant should have been allies, yet... Thanks. Have you seen the Secrets of the Dead episode on Crippen's DNA results? If so what do you make of it? Thanks

[ghoulstonstreet]

USA Doc Crippen

Hi. I believe you can see this on your computer. We have a show in the US called Secrets of the Dead. It has many episodes. The one regarding the modern DNA work on Crippen's case can be reached by typing in https://www.pbs.org/wnet/secrets/epi...-in-error/198/
(the preview of my post cut off some of the url. It should read ...secrets/episodes/executed-in-error/198/)

I found it compelling yet it also opens more holes, more mysteries. I believe the UK authorities are reluctant to retest because they may find that Crippen was indeed executed in error or prematurely. Does everyone remember that in the 50s the wrong man was executed in Britain for Christie's crimes? I don't believe the authorities would want another such case coming to light.The essence of the question in Crippen's case is, why would he expend so much energy getting rid of all the bones and the head and then leave ONLY the incriminating bit of flesh with the "scar" on it, plus some incriminating clothing, in the basement? This has always disturbed me but now finally some folks in authority are calling it into question. Watch the show if you can get it to come on via the computer. Are you aware of why there is this controversy involving the MSU scientists and this attorney for the descendant, James Crippen? I really would like to understand what that's all about. Thanks

[belinda]

Forgive me if you've already discussed this previously but did you happen to see Channel THIRTEEN'S episode on the Crippen evidence controversy? It's called Execution in Error or something similar. You can watch it on the computer. Certainly seems that this case has many truths to yet unravel. Thanks

I saw a programme called The Last Secret Of Doctor Crippen.I'm not sure if that's the same one. I think I was one of the first people here to go Pro Crippen

Unfortuneately we get very few of these documentaries as there is always some more pressing programme about the newly discovered colour of Hitlers underpants taking priority

[ghoulstonstreet]

Note that Giovanni Di Stefano is the same attorney that the Michigan State University team wanted nothing to do with back in 2007, and in fact insisted that Stefano remove all reference to the DNA research from his initial court filings. They said that they wanted no part in the efforts to pardon Crippen or exhume Crippen's remains.

But then came the cameras.

JM

Please explain the politics here. Michigan State DID replicate the tests and they did find the slide tissue was male and that it does not match the mitochondrial DNA from Cora's female relatives. So why did they want to distance themselves from James Patrick Crippen's lawsuit etc. Where does this deStephano come in? Please straighten me out on this. It seems to me that Britain doesn't want to risk disrupting the whole Crippen aura and possibly lose some tourist attendance at the Chamber of Horrors etc. Thank you.

[ghoulstonstreet]

Execution in Error-Secrets of the Dead episode

This is what I think too

Forgive me if you've already discussed this previously but did you happen to see Channel THIRTEEN'S episode on the Crippen evidence controversy? It's called Execution in Error or something similar. You can watch it on the computer. Certainly seems that this case has many truths to yet unravel. Thanks

[belinda]

Okay, I know I'm asking for trouble here, but I have always suspected that Crippen was railroaded by persons unknown.

This is what I think too

[ghoulstonstreet]

Hanging Off A Limb

I saw a programme on this a while back.
They had a group of lodgers in the house,and she was friendly with all of them,but took up with one in particular...and they used to make love while Crippen listened to them,while doing the chores his Mrs had told him to do,while she was busy.
I felt quite sorry for him whereas before the programme started I had him down as the baddie...he was henpecked and humiliated...If he did murder her,she deserved it...IMHO.

Okay, I know I'm asking for trouble here, but I have always suspected that Crippen was railroaded by persons unknown. One question I've always had is why didn't he simply get a divorce? He was the breadwinner - he could have re-established himself again with Ethel. He was humiliated and used by Cora unceasingly. What do the old fashioned words mean "she won't give me a divorce"? I thought Henry VIII fixed all that.