R.L.S., H.J., & E.H.: a questions of sources and results

[Henry Flower]

Dogs can be aggressive in guarding everything they consider their possessions, such as food, bowls, items they steal or find, and toys. They are also very territorial and will defend any area they consider to be under their domain.

Symptoms:

Growling
Lifting the upper lip
Aggressive Barking
Snapping
Lunging
Biting
Extreme reaction when someone approaches the dog’s space.

Terrific stuff, Pierre. Unfortunately you missed the fact that the only response you actually provoked from me was ridicule and laughter. You are too comic a figure to inspire aggressive barking on my part.

Good try though.

[Pierre]

Dogs can be aggressive in guarding everything they consider their possessions, such as food, bowls, items they steal or find, and toys. They are also very territorial and will defend any area they consider to be under their domain.

Symptoms:

Growling
Lifting the upper lip
Aggressive Barking
Snapping
Lunging
Biting
Extreme reaction when someone approaches the dog’s space.

[Henry Flower]

OK, Jeff. As you know, I am a sociologist (not just historian) and one of my interests has been the fields of cultural production. These fields are historically constituated and therefore even a sociologist has to use a long time perspective for studying such fields. This means going back to the ancient Greeks or back to modernity (19th Century) before ending up in our own time or post-modernity. Studying the cultural production of literature some time ago I noticed a review about Queen Mary by Tennyson. Here is the reference:

Reviewed Work: Queen Mary. A Drama by Alfred Tennyson
Review by:
The North American Review
Vol. 121, No. 249 (Oct., 1875), pp. 422-429

Regards, Pierre

Surely you mean "just not historian" rather than "not just historian"?

How long did it take for you to find this reference last night Pierre?

Where are "the fields of cultural production"? Which "constituation" can I find them in?

Studying the cultural production of literature some time ago I noticed a review about Queen Mary by Tennyson.

Yeah, that sentence absolutely rings true!

Mrs Pierre: "Darling it's late, come to bed!"
Pierre: "I can't, I'm studying the cultural production of literature right now."

Ten out of ten for your sense of humour Pierre. You're on good form. Literally laugh-a-minute.

[Pierre]

Perhaps, but the enquiry was directed to you. This was not an inquiry into what your central theory is, but just how exactly you ended up acquainted with this play by Tennyson. Telling me won't damage your control over your own work, it just informs me about your reading a bit. That's all.

Jeff

OK, Jeff. As you know, I am a sociologist (not just historian) and one of my interests has been the fields of cultural production. These fields are historically constituated and therefore even a sociologist has to use a long time perspective for studying such fields. This means going back to the ancient Greeks or back to modernity (19th Century) before ending up in our own time or post-modernity. Studying the cultural production of literature some time ago I noticed a review about Queen Mary by Tennyson. Here is the reference:

Reviewed Work: Queen Mary. A Drama by Alfred Tennyson
Review by:
The North American Review
Vol. 121, No. 249 (Oct., 1875), pp. 422-429

Regards, Pierre

[Henry Flower]

Silly GUT, I can't. I don't know the secret of the power for the motors of the "Nautilus" (Verne and "Nemo's" "Nautilus", not the actual one that is now at Groton's Submarine museum in Connecticut, which I have visited - that's a nuclear powered one). '

The limits to my knowledge of how to power pre-Holland and Lake subs is that of the U.S.S. Turtle (Bushnell's Revolutionary craft), and the C.S.S. Hunley (now found and being restored in Charleston), both of which were powered by men using cranks. Captain Nemo's men had some electricity, but the motors were run by something that wasn't quite explained.

Jeff

Men using cranks? Jeff, my memory suggests that Nemo himself was such a misanthropic crank that this alone was power enough for the Nautilus. It was effectively powered by a crank using men.

[GUT]

How dare you, sir! I am an amoral animal.

See, good company for me to be in.

[GUT]

Silly GUT, I can't. I don't know the secret of the power for the motors of the "Nautilus" (Verne and "Nemo's" "Nautilus", not the actual one that is now at Groton's Submarine museum in Connecticut, which I have visited - that's a nuclear powered one). '

The limits to my knowledge of how to power pre-Holland and Lake subs is that of the U.S.S. Turtle (Bushnell's Revolutionary craft), and the C.S.S. Hunley (now found and being restored in Charleston), both of which were powered by men using cranks. Captain Nemo's men had some electricity, but the motors were run by something that wasn't quite explained.

Jeff

Groton, an interesting name.

[Sam Flynn]

When Sir Thomas White (1492–1567) was Lord Mayor [1553].

In 1888, of course, the Lord Mayor was another "White"; Sir James Whitehead, to be precise.

/trivia

[Mayerling]

Mayerling, sir, I got distracted by the presence of the irritant Pierre, but I did intend to say what an enjoyable thread this has been. This is one of those side-streets off the man thoroughfare that makes Ripperology sometimes a real pleasure.

I was also interested to read more on the Phoenix Park assassination by The Invincibles, reference to which crops up repeatedly throughout my favourite novel, Joyce's Ulysses.

Many thanks sir.

Thanks Henry, I hoped it would be an enjoyable thread. Literary connections always appeal to me, but this seemed more at home in the "Social Chat" threads than the more serious minded ones. Feel free to just discuss the Stevenson and Conan Doyle matters. I may also return to that formerly mentioned theory of mine concerning Doyle, Oscar Wilde, and Macnaughten that I added on another thread some time back.

Jeff

[Henry Flower]

Mayerling, sir, I got distracted by the presence of the irritant Pierre, but I did intend to say what an enjoyable thread this has been. This is one of those side-streets off the man thoroughfare that makes Ripperology sometimes a real pleasure.

I was also interested to read more on the Phoenix Park assassination by The Invincibles, reference to which crops up repeatedly throughout my favourite novel, Joyce's Ulysses.

Many thanks sir.

[Henry Flower]

Despite Pierre claiming not to have mixed up his Marys, this is what he posted on 14 November 2015 in the thread 'Social Class of Jack the Ripper', while discussing the Gogmagog letter:

"...when you understand his hint at Tennyson, you can see why he posed the body of Mary Jane the way he did."

So Pierre was saying that when you understand that Tennyson was the author of 'Queen Mary' you can understand the pose of MJK, even though the pose he was referring to was in a portrait of Mary, Queen of Scots.

Quite so, but let's wait and see if his rebuttal involves anything other than name-calling and resentment. Also, he might just rant that you are "lying", and hope the noise deflects attention from his catastrophic error.

[David Orsam]

Despite Pierre claiming not to have mixed up his Marys, this is what he posted on 14 November 2015 in the thread 'Social Class of Jack the Ripper', while discussing the Gogmagog letter:

"...when you understand his hint at Tennyson, you can see why he posed the body of Mary Jane the way he did."

So Pierre was saying that when you understand that Tennyson was the author of 'Queen Mary' you can understand the pose of MJK, even though the pose he was referring to was in a portrait of Mary, Queen of Scots.

[Simon Wood]

Hi All,

When Sir Thomas White (1492–1567) was Lord Mayor [1553], the Lord Mayor's Show was held on 29th October.

After Britain adopted the Gregorian calendar in 1751, the date of the Lord Mayor's Show was changed to 9th November.

Regards,

Simon

[Mayerling]

I, for one, haven't put forward any explanation so this remark is very strange. Obviously Pierre is just evading a simple, reasonable and polite question.

Henry has, of course, nailed it. And when Pierre saw that one of the characters in the play was Sir Thomas White, the Lord Mayor of London, he realised he had found was the conclusive proof he was looking for.

Queen Mary, Princess Elizabeth and the Lord Mayor all in one play!! It could only mean one thing. Gogmagog is Jack the Ripper!

No, it could also mean we should consider that Queen Mary's cousin and chief advisor, Cardinal Reginald de la Pole, was the unofficial ancestor of Jack the Ripper. Too bad the bodies of the victims were not burned at the stake - that would have been proof conclusive.

I still wish he'd explain how he came across that idiotic play!

Jeff

[Henry Flower]

I, for one, haven't put forward any explanation so this remark is very strange. Obviously Pierre is just evading a simple, reasonable and polite question.

Henry has, of course, nailed it. And when Pierre saw that one of the characters in the play was Sir Thomas White, the Lord Mayor of London, he realised he had found was the conclusive proof he was looking for.

Queen Mary, Princess Elizabeth and the Lord Mayor all in one play!! It could only mean one thing. Gogmagog is Jack the Ripper!

David, stop doing the man's treasure-hunting, I mean, clue-decoding, er, sorry - source analysis for him! Get out of his archives!