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    A New York judge found Donald Trump and his adult sons liable for fraud and canceled the Trump Organization’s business certification, a shocking ruling that poses an existential threat to the former president’s financial empire as he runs for a second term in the White House.


    A summary judgment offered by a New York judge days before Trump's business fraud case rejects the Trump side argument that the documents had a "worthless clause" that invalidated fraud charges because it stated the document "wasn't to be relied on."
    The judge stated Mr. Trump's "worthless statement" is itself worthless. Trump, three of his adult children, the Trump Organization, and other associates are declared to be guilty of fraud and false tax reporting fot decades.
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  • #2
    So is now a confirmed fraudster and sex-pest if I got this right?

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    • #3
      He was a confirmed fraudster well before this. He settled out of court in 2016 for three lawsuits about his fraudulent Trump University. The Trump Foundation "charity" was dissolved by court order in 2018.
      "The full picture always needs to be given. When this does not happen, we are left to make decisions on insufficient information." - Christer Holmgren

      "Unfortunately, when one becomes obsessed by a theory, truth and logic rarely matter." - Steven Blomer

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      • #4
        Law and order !!!!!!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Svensson View Post
          So is now a confirmed fraudster and sex-pest if I got this right?
          Well, yes, in a preliminary way. The summary judgment is so it will be taken as fact that fraud ocurred, because the Trump side was trying to dispute that, saying it wasn't fraud at all. The trial, at which DJT is supposed to testify, starts soon, and will go through each individual charge of the indictment (there are many, many charges).
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          • #6
            The business fraud trial against Donald J Trump began today in New York. It is presided over by a judge only, does not involve a jury. Trump was present, with lawyers and some family members. Trump was said to have listened mostly in silence, looking angry, annoyed, and bored by turns. After leaving with a final glare at the State Attorney General, Ms. James, Trump launched into insults aimed at her and the judge. He insists this is a plan to "get him" and resorted to his favorite phrase "this is a witch hunt!"
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            • #7
              You guys may find this article to be amusing.

              Someone on Quora asked "Why do some British people not like Donald Trump?" Nate White, an articulate and witty writer from England wrote the following response: A few things spring to mind. Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem. For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wi...
              They are not long, the days of wine and roses:
              Out of a misty dream
              Our path emerges for a while, then closes
              Within a dream.
              Ernest Dowson - Vitae Summa Brevis​

              ​Disagreeing doesn't have to be disagreeable - Jeff Hamm

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              • #8
                Originally posted by GBinOz View Post
                You guys may find this article to be amusing.

                https://www.redlakenationnews.com/st...ead/84189.html
                That sums up the feelings of this particular Brit anyway.

                Love the understated "a few things spring to mind" opening too!

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                • #9
                  Judge has imposed a 'Gag' order on Trump, today he just walked out of the court, and for the first time he had nothing to say.
                  Regards, Jon S.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by GBinOz View Post
                    You guys may find this article to be amusing.

                    https://www.redlakenationnews.com/st...ead/84189.html
                    Got to love his British bluntness about this walking slug of nastiness and stupidity! (I'm an American in the two thirds who want him out of our lives, lol!)
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Wickerman View Post
                      Judge has imposed a 'Gag' order on Trump, today he just walked out of the court, and for the first time he had nothing to say.
                      Judge Arthur Engoron rebuked Donald Trump after the former president attacked his clerk in a social media post on Tuesday and forbade the parties from making any future comments about his staff.


                      More info about the background behind the gag order. Trump apparently found a photo showing the judge's court clerk with Democratic Senator Chuck Schumer, and used this to attack the woman as the senator's "girlfriend" (no proof linkng the two in any way, of course). The judge was infuriated at the attack on his staff member, and advised Trump that any further attacks on anyone connected to his court were forbidden. He also promised stern consequences if this gag order was broken.

                      I can see Trump thinking this random photo is "proof" of Democratic involvement in this "witch hunt", and would have latched onto any image of anyone connected to his trial with any Demorcatic notable.
                      (And we thought Dick Nixon played 'dirty tricks"!)
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by GBinOz View Post
                        You guys may find this article to be amusing.

                        https://www.redlakenationnews.com/st...ead/84189.html
                        In the US, we also traditionally side with David, not Goliath. It's woven into our founding mythology, conveniently forgetting how much of the heavy lifting was done by the French. Which makes it baffling to me that anyone sees Trump as the plucky underdog.​

                        But a superb article.
                        "The full picture always needs to be given. When this does not happen, we are left to make decisions on insufficient information." - Christer Holmgren

                        "Unfortunately, when one becomes obsessed by a theory, truth and logic rarely matter." - Steven Blomer

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                        • #13
                          I would have thought anyone else attacking court staff would be in the pokey already.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by String View Post
                            I would have thought anyone else attacking court staff would be in the pokey already.
                            Anyone else who had refused to turn over even one classified document would have been in jail, awaiting trial.
                            "The full picture always needs to be given. When this does not happen, we are left to make decisions on insufficient information." - Christer Holmgren

                            "Unfortunately, when one becomes obsessed by a theory, truth and logic rarely matter." - Steven Blomer

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Fiver View Post

                              Anyone else who had refused to turn over even one classified document would have been in jail, awaiting trial.
                              The dual standard, one law for the rich, and one for the poor.
                              Thats the law that lawmakers insist doesn't exist.

                              Regards, Jon S.

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