Talking with the unvaccinated to change minds

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  • Pcdunn
    Superintendent
    • Dec 2014
    • 2323

    #61
    4 Broward County, Florida, educators died within about 24 hours from Covid-19 complications

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/13/us/br...ths/index.html

    Three teachers and a teaching assistant in a Florida school district have all died of COVID-19 complications this week. Three of the four were known to be unvaccinated.

    Pat D. https://forum.casebook.org/core/imag...rt/reading.gif
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    • String
      Detective
      • Jul 2008
      • 302

      #62

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      • DirectorDave
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        • Sep 2009
        • 355

        #63
        It is important to target the correct demographic.

        Vaccine hesitancy by education level (US).

        High School or less - 20.8%

        Some College - 18.3%

        Bachelor's Degree - 11%

        Masters Degree - 8.3%

        Professional - 12.3%

        PhDs - 23.9%


        So clearly it is the people with PhDs that are the "problem bunch", so perhaps when delivering your superior vaccine knowledge gained from (Fiery but largely peaceful) CNN best make sure you don't shout at them.

        Or we can all just leave the medical advice between individuals and their GPs?

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        • rjpalmer
          Commissioner
          • Mar 2008
          • 4249

          #64
          Originally posted by DirectorDave View Post
          So clearly it is the people with PhDs that are the "problem bunch"
          Clearly?

          According to the U.S. Census Bureau--(I know--part of the deep state!)--the percentage of the U.S. population with PhDs sits at a mere 1.2%

          So if you are correct that 23.9% of them are hesitant to get a vaccine, that means that this 'problem bunch' represents less than 0.3% of the population.

          Wow.

          I imagine this statistic sounded far more impressive when they were voicing it over on OAN or Fox.

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          • DirectorDave
            *
            • Sep 2009
            • 355

            #65
            Wow indeed.

            Keep forgetting you lot don't do humour.

            No one is a "problem bunch" other than condensing, unqualified people giving medical advice to those perfectly capable of seeking it out themselves.

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            • rjpalmer
              Commissioner
              • Mar 2008
              • 4249

              #66
              Originally posted by DirectorDave View Post
              Wow indeed.

              Keep forgetting you lot don't do humour.

              No one is a "problem bunch" other than condensing, unqualified people giving medical advice to those perfectly capable of seeking it out themselves.
              The last I heard, the American Medical Association reported that 96% of all doctors are vaccinated, so I think that those most qualified have already voted with their needles, but if you prefer to listen to those yammering on social media, be my guest.

              But no, I admit that I don't find a lot of humor in pandemics.

              I have an uncle--always thought he was a pretty smart guy; he married a science teacher and lives in a deep red state.

              He likes to email anti-vax literature, anti-Fauci 'humor,' the usual conspiracy theories and worries about "experimental science," all the Fox News talking points, etc.

              I mainly just ignored it all.

              I learned yesterday he now has Covid as is in a hospital on oxygen. Due to living in a community of like-minded individuals, the hospital is so filled to the gills with other Covid patients, his bed was given to an even worse case and he was sent home.

              I learned a couple of hours ago that he now has Covid pneumonia and it's not looking good. I can almost guarantee his symptoms would have been far more mild if he simply had taken the frickin' vaccine.

              The vaccine doesn't make you immune, only likely to survive. Being college educated doesn't make you immune from making highly questionable decisions, either.

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              • DirectorDave
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                • Sep 2009
                • 355

                #67
                Originally posted by rjpalmer View Post

                I can almost guarantee his symptoms would have been far more mild if he simply had taken the frickin' vaccine.
                How can you almost guarantee that? A feeling in your water? A false equivalence of hospitalisations to vaccine status?

                What you going with?

                I'll refrain from any "vaccine horror" anecdotes.

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                • Abby Normal
                  Commissioner
                  • Jun 2010
                  • 11904

                  #68
                  Originally posted by rjpalmer View Post

                  The last I heard, the American Medical Association reported that 96% of all doctors are vaccinated, so I think that those most qualified have already voted with their needles, but if you prefer to listen to those yammering on social media, be my guest.

                  But no, I admit that I don't find a lot of humor in pandemics.

                  I have an uncle--always thought he was a pretty smart guy; he married a science teacher and lives in a deep red state.

                  He likes to email anti-vax literature, anti-Fauci 'humor,' the usual conspiracy theories and worries about "experimental science," all the Fox News talking points, etc.

                  I mainly just ignored it all.

                  I learned yesterday he now has Covid as is in a hospital on oxygen. Due to living in a community of like-minded individuals, the hospital is so filled to the gills with other Covid patients, his bed was given to an even worse case and he was sent home.

                  I learned a couple of hours ago that he now has Covid pneumonia and it's not looking good. I can almost guarantee his symptoms would have been far more mild if he simply had taken the frickin' vaccine.

                  The vaccine doesn't make you immune, only likely to survive. Being college educated doesn't make you immune from making highly questionable decisions, either.
                  hi rj
                  sorry about you uncle. hope he gets well soon. i just found out a beloved cousin of mine passed away from cancer. and of course you are totally correct on the vaccine. it saves lives, not getting it kills.
                  prayers for your uncle.
                  "Is all that we see or seem
                  but a dream within a dream?"

                  -Edgar Allan Poe


                  "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
                  quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

                  -Frederick G. Abberline

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                  • caz
                    Premium Member
                    • Feb 2008
                    • 10569

                    #69
                    Originally posted by DirectorDave View Post
                    It is important to target the correct demographic.

                    Vaccine hesitancy by education level (US).

                    High School or less - 20.8%

                    Some College - 18.3%

                    Bachelor's Degree - 11%

                    Masters Degree - 8.3%

                    Professional - 12.3%

                    PhDs - 23.9%


                    So clearly it is the people with PhDs that are the "problem bunch", so perhaps when delivering your superior vaccine knowledge gained from (Fiery but largely peaceful) CNN best make sure you don't shout at them.

                    Or we can all just leave the medical advice between individuals and their GPs?
                    As we know from some of the Eton and Oxbridge scholars who go on to become our political leaders here in the UK, the very best education money can buy does not give immunity from being a selfish arsehole.

                    "Comedy is simply a funny way of being serious." Peter Ustinov


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                    • rjpalmer
                      Commissioner
                      • Mar 2008
                      • 4249

                      #70
                      Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post

                      hi rj
                      sorry about you uncle. hope he gets well soon. i just found out a beloved cousin of mine passed away from cancer. and of course you are totally correct on the vaccine. it saves lives, not getting it kills.
                      prayers for your uncle.
                      I'm sorry to hear about your loss, Abby. It's been a tough year.

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                      • GBinOz
                        Assistant Commissioner
                        • Jun 2021
                        • 3008

                        #71
                        Originally posted by caz View Post

                        As we know from some of the Eton and Oxbridge scholars who go on to become our political leaders here in the UK, the very best education money can buy does not give immunity from being a selfish arsehole.
                        Hi Caz,

                        In Australia "being a selfish arsehole" is essential criteria for preselection for the right wing conservative political parties.

                        Cheers, George

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                        • DJA
                          *
                          • May 2015
                          • 4700

                          #72
                          Hi George,

                          Attended school with several.Kemp brothers and Kennett were neighbors.Rod Kemp was a nice guy in my experience.

                          Ciao,Dave.

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                          • Svensson
                            Sergeant
                            • Jun 2012
                            • 590

                            #73
                            Originally posted by DirectorDave View Post
                            Wow indeed.

                            Keep forgetting you lot don't do humour.
                            KAPOW

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                            • Svensson
                              Sergeant
                              • Jun 2012
                              • 590

                              #74
                              Originally posted by caz View Post

                              As we know from some of the Eton and Oxbridge scholars who go on to become our political leaders here in the UK, the very best education money can buy does not give immunity from being a selfish arsehole.
                              referring to no one in particular of course

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                              • caz
                                Premium Member
                                • Feb 2008
                                • 10569

                                #75
                                Of course!
                                "Comedy is simply a funny way of being serious." Peter Ustinov


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