The Best Ever Trump Put-Down?

[Gordon]

Seems to me reading all the arguments between left and right, here and multiple other places, it is time to change the name to just SA, nothing United about the country now, that’s for sure.

DSA: the Divided States of America?
BSA: the Benighted States of America?
CSA? No, better skip that one, already taken...

[Svensson]

by any measure, President Trump's economy was the best and it had nothing to do with Obama. President Trump cut regulations on businesses and encouraged manufacturing companies to come back by reducing the corporate tax rate. He made better trade deals and created opportunity zones in black communities that led to an all-time low black unemployment rate. America achieved 4.8% economic growth. Obama never reached 2% in eight years. I do not know where you got the idea that Obama ever hit 3% economic growth. Obama killed the economy with restrictions on businesses. He told the American people that they would just "have to get used to no manufacturing jobs." Because of President Trump's policies, and despite eliminating restrictions on the oil industry, creating more jobs, America reduced its carbon emissions to the lowest since 1990. Even Democrats claimed NAFTA was a horrible trade deal for the United States. So was the Trans-Atlantic Partnership. President Trump ended one-sided trade deals. The claim that President Trump accomplished nothing for the American people is false. Even after the numerous lockdowns, the economy is still better than at any time during the Obama administration.

Since the economy is THE central argument of the Trump propaganda machine, I really want you to loo at the official GDP stats:


It confirms that Obama has made 4% GDP growth 4 times, he croseed 5% twice in his eight years, Trump on the other hand crossed 3% four times but never 4% once (nevermind 5%). Therefore, it is inpossible for Trump to have delivered 4.8% growth at any time. Therefore, if you have been told this by Fox, the Blaze, or newsmax, if was a flat out lie and The GDP growth stats do not suggest that the Trump economy was anything but "good".

Looking at Annual GDP numbers, a similar story is can be observed. Trump's 2018 number beat Obama's 2015 by 0.02% (2.93 vs. 2.91) but apart from that, Trump is usually hovering around 2 - 2.5% annual growth. Nothing like the 4 or 5 % that he and his supporters like to talk about.

I guess this highlights my problem with Trump and his supporters in a nutshell. I am perfect happy to give him credit for a 2.5 economic growth grate. I am also perfectly happy for trying to engage North Korea directly even tough it didn't work.What I can NOT give him credit for is his lies that he is some kind of economic miracle or has resolved the North Korean issue.

No President has been tougher on Putin. The president has doubled down on existing sanctions on Russia from previous administrations, and a total of 49 Russian operatives have been expelled under the Magnitsky Act a measure intended to punish Russian officials. President Trump approved the largest commercial sale of lethal weapons since 2014 to Russia;s foe Ukraine, a decision the previous administration declined to enact.

So the issue is not so much what Trump did do with Russia, it is what he did NOT do with Russia in response to their transgression but I want to home in on the bit that I bolded because it is an excellent example of how the Trump propaganda machine operates and is continually fooling people.

Russian operatives first invaded eastern Ukraine in 2014 due to some diplomatic pretence. The west's initial reaction was not to enrage in a full-blown war with Russia but to start with diplomatic pressure. After that the EU and the US continued with sanctions. Both of these are essentially a long game and they need to be given time to see if they work. I'm sure that any republican can understand that part. In 2015 then, the Minsk Protocol was enacted by Germany, Russia, Ukraine and France but by 2018, it became clear that even of "Minsk II", none of the provisions were fully enacted which then left people to conclude that diplomatic options were exhausted. It was at this point that the US started to arm the Ukrainian government for this purpose (something that Trump then withheld in order to blackmail political favours from Ukraine). The EU meanwhile continued in helping Ukraine in addressing the causes for the war using direct aid. In fact, in 2016/17, the EU alone more than doubled the US contributions. In addition to that, Germany on its own almost matched the the US contributions on its own. Note that I explicitly state "in addition" to what germany were already paying through the EU budget: https://www.factcheck.org/2019/09/tr...id-to-ukraine/

So this is another thing that Trump lied about to the american people. It seems like the guy can't stop, ey?

Anybody who claims President Trump is soft on Russia is still trying to push the debunked Russian collusion theory.

Muller Report:
Volume I of the report concludes that the investigation did not find sufficient evidence that the campaign "coordinated or conspired with the Russian government in its election-interference activities".^[4][5][6] Investigators ultimately had an incomplete picture of what happened due to communications that were encrypted, deleted, or not saved and due to testimony that was false, incomplete, or declined.^[7][8][9] However, the report states that Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election was illegal and occurred "in sweeping and systematic fashion"^[10][11][12] but was welcomed by the Trump campaign as it expected to benefit from such efforts.^[13][14][15] It also identifies links between Trump campaign officials and individuals with ties to the Russian government,^[16] about which several persons connected to the campaign made false statements and obstructed investigations.^[4] Mueller later stated that his investigation's conclusion on Russian interference "deserves the attention of every American".^[17]

I am ok with President Trump challenging the results of the 2020 election. The Democrats resisted the Trump administration for four years because they could not accept the results of the 2016 election. Most of the "Trump scandals" were fabricated by the Democrat establishment, the fake Russian Collusion, and a ridiculous impeachment. So, I think spending a few months investigating election fraud is justified.

Right now, we have Louis Gohmert (clown) arguing on court that a sitting VP, not the american people, should be able to decide who becomes president. Are you seriously suggesting to everyone that you are perfectly fine with this?

When you have doubts about the legality of an election, you should have the right the make your case and have your day in court. No one that I know disputes this. Here, the republicans are suggesting that there was wide-spread voter-fraud. Enough in fact to tip the outcome of the election. So what should be done tin such a case? You present your evidence to a judge and have him adjudicate.

My question to you: how many attempts to make this case should a plaintiff have? 3 attempts? 7 attempts? Maybe 15?

The Trump administration has so far had more than 51 such cases and in none of them have the Republicans made a compelling case for wide-spread and systematic voter-fraud that would invalidate the results? Wikipedia have a breakdown at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-e...ntial_election. It currently stands at:

10 cases were dropped (because the lawyers for Trump didn't want to embarrass themselves).
26 cases were dismissed before any hearing becasue the judge said "you have nothing and you're wasting everyone's time"
7 cases have ongoing appeals (so they have already lost but want to keep it going so they can continue to fleece thier supporters for money)
2 cases are still ongoing )pne of them is "Donald J. Trump for President v. Boockvar", which is about how long after the election date postal ballots can be accepted and is not even about voter fraud but I can not find the other one right now)
6 have been ruled against the plaintiff. These are the cases where the judge said "OK, let's look at this". remember, there are 36 cases that didnlt even make it this far....

So my additional question to you is: How many failed court cases does it take until you accept this this is all a farce and has no merrit?

And my follow-on question to you then is: Would you be OK with 51 separate investigations into Trump's ties with Russia? Becasue if, for fairness sake, the answer is yes, there should be another 48 on its way.

The British public voted to leave the E.U. twice.

There was one vote in June 2016. When was the other one? I think you really need to double-check your sources and again, the issues since 2016 were not IF the UK would leave the EU but HOW. Once this was resolved, the question was what the future relationship would look like and this was only resolved a week ago. there was NEVER a question on IF the UK would leave the EU.

Remember those who opposed leaving the E.U. claimed Russian interference too.

I think you got your facts wrong again. The Cambridge Analytica scandal was that the company harvested use-data from facebook without the user's permission to influence elections world-wide. They were not involved with Russia but Russia then took the same model to influence the US election. A good summary from Wikipedia:

Cambridge Analytica Ltd (CA) was a British political consulting firm that was involved in influencing hundreds of elections globally and that came to prominence through the Facebook–Cambridge Analytica data scandal. It was started in 2013^[6] as a subsidiary of the private intelligence company and self-described "global election management agency" SCL Group by long-time SCL executives Nigel Oakes, Alexander Nix and Alexander Oakes, with Nix as CEO.^[6] The company had close ties to the Conservative Party (UK), the British royal family and the British military.^[7] The firm maintained offices in London, New York City, and Washington, DC.^[8] The company closed operations in 2018 in the course of the Facebook–Cambridge Analytica data scandal, although related firms still exist.^[9]

It is the globalist that is trying to "back in through the back door." The U.K. will never be allowed to leave the E.U.

You are entitled to your own reality if it fits your narrative but here on Earth 1, the UK has left the EU on 01 JAN 2020, which was 367 days ago.

[GUT]

Seems to me reading all the arguments between left and right, here and multiple other places, it is time to change the name to just SA, nothing United about the country now, that’s for sure.

[Svensson]

When a discussion like this is started people should understand not everyone hates the President. So, people should not get angry when others who support the President comment. I do not know why, but carbon emissions are the lowest since 1990. I understand that no matter what President Trump will get no credit from some people. I think Trump haters could be a little magnanimous, their guy won, maybe. I think everyone should take time to reflect on President Trump's legacy. He accomplished a lot of good things and refusing to give the man any credit for anything weakens any argument people have against him and frankly makes people sound horribly bias.

maybe there is something I should clear up. You seem to think that people critical of Trump have decided they hate the guy and therefor they hate everything he does. With me, it is the other way round. I read what he says' proposes and I realise that much of it does not pass the sniff test or is unacceptable for someone who wants to lead a country. This started relatively early in 2016 with stupid stunts like:

- His fake medical dictated to his gatro-guy which stated that all his tests are positive and that Trump is without a doubt the healthiest man to ever run for office (seriously, how stupid did Trump think the american people were to fall for this. I give you a clue, Trump was right....)
- His list of where is considers himself the world's eminent subject matter expert:

• ISIS: "I know more about ISIS than the generals do." (November 2015.)
• Social media: "I understand social media. I understand the power of Twitter. I understand the power of Facebook maybe better than almost anybody, based on my results, right?" (November 2015.)
• Courts: "I know more about courts than any human being on Earth." (November 2015.)
• Lawsuits: "[W]ho knows more about lawsuits than I do? I'm the king." (January 2016.)
• Politicians: "I understand politicians better than anybody."
• The visa system: "[N]obody knows the system better than me. I know the H1B. I know the H2B. ... Nobody else on this dais knows how to change it like I do, believe me." (March 2016.)
• Trade: "Nobody knows more about trade than me." (March 2016.)
• The U.S. government system: "[N]obody knows the system better than I do." (April 2016.)
• Renewable energy: "I know more about renewables than any human being on Earth." (April 2016.)
• Taxes: "I think nobody knows more about taxes than I do, maybe in the history of the world." (May 2016.)
• Debt: "I’m the king of debt. I’m great with debt. Nobody knows debt better than me." (June 2016.)
• Money: "I understand money better than anybody." (June 2016.)
• Infrastructure: "[L]ook, as a builder, nobody in the history of this country has ever known so much about infrastructure as Donald Trump." (July 2016.)
• Sen. Cory Booker: "I know more about Cory than he knows about himself." (July 2016.)
• Borders: Trump said in 2016 that Sheriff Joe Arpaio said he was endorsing him for president because "you know more about this stuff than anybody."
• Democrats: "I think I know more about the other side than almost anybody." (November 2016.)
• Construction: "[N]obody knows more about construction than I do." (May 2018.)
• The economy: "I think I know about it better than [the Federal Reserve]." (October 2018.)
• Technology: "Technology — nobody knows more about technology than me." (December 2018.)
• Drones: "I know more about drones than anybody. I know about every form of safety that you can have." (January 2019.)
• Drone technology: "Having a drone fly overhead — and I think nobody knows much more about technology, this type of technology certainly, than I do." (January 2019.)

Honestly: At which point to you start calling for a straight-jacket?

So, you ask why I hate trump. It's because of his pattern of lying and BS'ing. The lists of his "accomplishments" you have provided as proof of his proficency as president is largely that: BS. And I don't give credit for BS.

If this makes me biased, then it's because I am biased towards facts and the truth. I'm more than happy to live with this tag.

btw, we still need to talk about the economy....

[Svensson]

President Trump beats out Dr. Fauci, Joe Biden, Barack Obama, and the pope for 'most admired man' of 2020 - TheBlaze

President was just voted the most admired man of 2020. It was the first time Obama did not win in 12 years.

meaning? I mean this is 18% who voted for him right? and 82% who didn;t....

[Svensson]

BTW the President never said injecting disinfectant would cure the COVID virus. He asked the doctors if a disinfectant could be used as a treatment. There is a difference between asking a question and proclaiming a cure. Any reasonable person watching the press conference understood the President's intention. A big problem is that a lot of the President's detractors do not bother to listen to what the man has to say about anything.

You're trying to save Trump's backside by splitting hairs now. If does not matter if he was suggesting it as a cure or as a treatment. Bleach does not belong into a human body except for the purpose/intent of killing that person. A fifth-grader should know this but Trump does not have the mental capacity of a fith-grader to know this. And yes, we did listen. Very carefull. And we concluded that he hasn't got a flippin clue what he is talking about.

I do not know how much Bible knowledge the President has.

I do. It is exactly zero. And if you are curious to find out, watch this video. If you have ever lied as a ten-year-old, you will recognise what is going on here.

[Svensson]

I am not sure what the President could have done differently. The Governor of each State ultimately has the say about how their State handles the COVID response. The President stopped travel to and from China at the end of January and travels to and from Europe at the beginning of February. At the time he was widely criticized by the media who were describing the virus as no more dangerous than the flu and the Democrats called his travel bans xenophobic and racist. Democrat leaders were encouraging people to go out and live their lives normally. Nancy Pelosi stood in the middle of China Town and asked people to join her at the festivals. At the beginning of the pandemic, Dr. Fauci informed the public that using a mask was not a good idea and the virus was not air born. A lot of people made mistakes.

Your last few posts have read like a Shaun Hannity Press-release and I honestly do not have the time and resources to address each and every sentence in them ,so I will just concentrate on a few low-hanging fruit....


"I am not sure what the President could have done differently."
The high-level issue is that the spread of the virus needs to be contained until a large enough number of the population is inoculated for the spread to stop. The measures required is dictated by how many people the health care system can treat at any one time and what human cost is acceptable. In particular, he could have

- Centrally organise a testing strategy. Some states have labs, others have factories for the materials, others have the expertise, etc etc. Instead, he just said, "testing is not our/my job" (note: this hasn't stopped him from taking credit once the testing was up and running).
- If there are shortages anywhere in the chain, utilise the defence production act as opposed to just threatening its use.
- stick to a CONSISTENT message on measures against the spread of the virus such as mask wearing, closing but then supporting businesses such as pubs and nightclubs.
- Promote treatments when they are backed up by science. A doctor who talks about Alien Sperm is not a scientist (mad scientists don't count).
- Be open and frank with the american public (by comparison, have a look at how Adern or Merkel handled public comms).
- don't torpedo how each governor handles it's own covid response (i.e. "Free Michigan" tweets).
- Don;t pretend this is all a hoax to make him look bad. remember when he said that on November 4th, CNN and NYTimes will stop reporting on Covid? Well they haven't becasue it was NOT about Trump...

the travel ban on China only bought Trump some time because it was clear that by that time, the Virus was already in the country. The question is, how do you use the time that you have just bought? trump decided to use it to do nothing. Instead, he proclaimed "if you have 15 cases, and in no time, they are close to zero, we will have done a pretty good job". He is correct. He would have done a pretty good job but alas, he very obviously didn't.


"the media who were describing the virus as no more dangerous than the flu"
Fox did, yes. The real media did certainly not.I actually agree with you that it is a terrible thing that Covid is belittled and systematically compared with the common flu. Fortunately, Forbes have compiled a list of dozens of times that trump has done exactly that even after he was taped by Woodward that he knew this virus is a serious problem: https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybe...h=4b9dcc3bf9d2 . THis one here is a real doosey....:

Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump
·
9 Mar 2020
So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!

Yes. I have thought about that and I have concluded that Trump's tweet is full or horse-manure.


"At the beginning of the pandemic, Dr. Fauci informed the public that using a mask was not a good idea and the virus was not air born."

Yes, and Fauci was clear at the time that the public should not start buying masks because the short supplies were needed by medics and that it was not certain at the time that the virus would spread mainly via air droplets. the medical advice will usually change when the understanding of the virus itself changes. None of this is rocket science IMHO...

[Gordon]

A few notes about COVID death claims. It is absurd to suggest there has been “something wrong” with the U.S. response to COVID just because somebody’s figures allege that Vietnam has “only had 35 COVID deaths” out of 96 million people, a supposed death rate of less than 0.4 per million.

To start with, I don’t believe one word of that! Vietnam is one of the many Third World countries, like India, that don’t document many of the deaths that happen and certainly don’t diagnose all the causes. The case of India for instance has been discussed elsewhere, as to why they report a spuriously low rate of (currently) “only” 108 deaths per million. Compared with that, Vietnam’s supposed rate of 0.4 is so preposterous as to defy belief. The fact is that poorer nations just can’t afford the bureaucracy to properly investigate and record the causes of more than a fraction of the deaths that occur, so COVID deaths are grossly underreported. In any case reporting characteristics can vary widely in what are euphemistically called “developing” countries (meaning they’re not as developed yet as we are in what we call the “Western” world), so figures from these places are not always comparable--quite aside from other factors.

In any case we can’t necessarily trust the governments of some tinpot nations to report statistics accurately, even if they have them. A most ludicrous example is Turkmenistan, whose idiot dictator took an ostrich-like attitude to the whole COVID problem, pretending it didn’t exist and forbidding his people to discuss it! Needless to say, outside observers report the level of COVID-19 in Turkmenistan as “very high.”

Another notorious instance is Venezuela, which has been reporting a paltry 37 deaths per million. Seriously, can anybody believe those numbers? In a country whose economy and infrastructure has been ruthlessly wrecked by a gang of criminal leftist oppressors who ought to be shot, where everything from food to medical materials is in short supply, where people are starving and have low resistance to disease, and anyone who can--including doctors and other health care workers--have fled the place in droves? When neighboring Colombia, despite probable shortfalls in reporting, is claiming 850 deaths per million? 37 Pull the other leg, Maduro, it’s got bells on!

Apart from reporting shortfalls, there are scads of other factors--geographic, climatic, economic, ecologic, cultural, racial and biological--that profoundly affect the spread of COVID and are quite outside the control of any government, which can not therefore be blamed for these differences from one nation to another.

For instance, I am quite willing to believe that Vietnam does have a lower rate of COVID mortality than the U.S. (though not 0.4 per million!)--and India too, along with others. Poorer nations can have two advantages over richer ones in this respect. First, simply because they’re poor, they can’t afford to travel as often and widely as we do, which spreads any infectious disease more broadly and rapidly. And secondly--again, depending on the nation--because they’re less urbanized--which involves people crowded or commuting into packed cities where infectious diseases are quickly transmitted due to close contact.

For some nations, population density can be a factor, but it’s not the only one. As it happens, we have a far lower population density in the U.S. (94 per square mile) than Vietnam (817) while India is higher at 1144. But “low population density” doesn’t help us if most of that land is in the empty plains of Texas, the frozen wastes of Alaska, or the desert here in Arizona, while most of the population is packed into cities like New York and L.A., brushing shoulders in the streets and swapping germs on the subway on their way to work. Here in the U.S., 82 percent of the population is urbanized, while in Vietnam a mere 37 percent of the population is. All the rest are out in the fields tending their rice paddies, never going far from their peaceful homes, and not spreading COVID around the population at large. Even though India is far more crowded overall, with the exception of Bombay, Calcutta and whatnot (or whatever names they’re calling these cities by today--thank goodness Delhi is still “Delhi”!), the nation is less urbanized still--only 34.5 percent--and I don’t doubt there has been less transmission of COVID throughout India as a whole.

Among the nations that are “developed,” there are, to be sure, a few strikingly low death rates: Australasia and Japan above all, while Canada and Germany are also notably lower than the average. The first two seem especially hard to account for. Some of it may be a matter of luck in being geographically isolated, with relatively fewer initial points of infection from overseas travelers, giving governments more time to react at the outset and put a plan in place early enough to control it. But there are other factors, including “cultural” ones.

Japan, crowded and highly urbanized, should have been a sitting duck for COVID, but for one thing it has been pointed out that the very formal Japanese do not indulge in as much close personal contact as Westerners do, and also have customary good hygiene practices--probably in response to having always been a crowded nation.

Then too, another cultural factor is the willing response of the Japanese to authority, and the tendency to do things in lockstep--which includes wearing masks or whatever they’re told to do. The unfortunate extreme example of this was of course the employees of that suburban Tokyo bank who in 1948 obediently swallowed cyanide--“all together now!”--handed to them by a robber masquerading as a health official inoculating them against dysentery. Most Westerners wouldn’t be so unquestioningly obedient. But when it came to precautions against COVID, this cultural behavior was a clear survival advantage.

Much the same could be said for a tendency toward coordination and organized response, a cultural trait shared to some extent by the Germans with their legendary “Teutonic efficiency.” This should be contrasted with the individualism and resistance to authority traditional in the United States, where some people’s attitudes are ”We don’t need no stinking masks!” while others indulge in large outdoor gatherings saying “To hell with COVID, who cares? We ain’t gonna die anyway!” Most of them are young, so they don’t. But they can pass it on to others who do.

Among the “cultural” (or “biological”) speculations is the possibility that certain vaccinations the Japanese people routinely receive, which people in the West do not, may confer some resistance to COVID. In addition, there might be racial factors. After all, most of these pandemics originated there in the Far East--including some strains of influenza and the “Black Death” that wiped out a third of Europe’s population. It’s not unlikely that East Asians generally--Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Vietnamese and Cambodians perhaps--have acquired a greater natural resistance to diseases like COVID than Westerners have. Although this thing started in China because of their exotic animal markets, China is reporting a measly three deaths per million from COVID! Anyone who believed in “conspiracy theories” would say COVID was a diabolical Chinese plot to wipe out the rest of the world! Of course I believe no such nonsense, though I don’t believe the Chinese government is telling the truth about the numbers either. But it’s also likely that Chinese people are historically more resistant to viruses of this kind than the rest of the world--just as Europeans were more resistant to diseases nurtured by close contact with animals than the luckless people they encountered in the New World.

Finally the “racial” or “ethnic” factor must be considered from another angle. The United States, like most “Western” countries, has a substantial population of ethnic minorities, many of whom are far poorer than the majority. Due to an unfortunate history of slavery, one eighth of the U.S. population is black, many of whom (though not all by any means) remain poor. On top of that, we have scads of illegal (mostly Hispanic) immigrants, with many living in poor conditions.

Western Europe has similar conditions today. While it doesn’t have a historic population of markedly poorer ethnic minorities, it has in more recent decades acquired a whole bunch of immigrants living in disaffected conditions--see the riots everywhere from Notting Hill in London to certain districts of Paris for instance--with a lot of illegal immigrants also.

From the viewpoint of COVID, the trouble with any group living in markedly poorer conditions than the majority is twofold First, living in relative squalor, they are less likely to practice good hygiene--quite unlike the fastidious Japanese. And secondly, they are more likely to suffer from underlying health conditions, whether due to poor nutrition or lack of health care, both of which predispose them toward more serious consequences and death from COVID.

Statistics bear this out. Death rates from COVID among the black and Hispanic population of the United States are nearly three times that of the white population. Similar differences were found between the black and white populations of the UK. Needless to say, a minority of this kind not only skews the death rates for a given nation, but can also form a reservoir of infection for the rest of a nation.

Of course, there could be genetic differences too. Perhaps African populations are even less resistant to COVID than Caucasian populations. But the bottom line is this: that the “Western” countries with markedly fewer COVID deaths are especially those without high immigrant, nonwhite (excluding Asian) or poor minority populations.

Canada is one, compared with the U.S. Australia and New Zealand especially are two others, sitting happily in the middle of the ocean, hard to reach by would-be illegal immigrants, and where relatively few of the population are srtikingly poorer than the rest. Compare this with Italy, which had the worst initial outbreak of COVID, situated on the north shores of the Mediterranean and a prime target for illegals boating over from North Africa. Then take Japan, isolated in the Pacific, with a homogeneous population and historically xenophobic, hostile to foreign immigration until the recent demographics of an aging population drove them to consider admitting more gaijin. That policy has served the Japanese well as far as protection from COVID goes.

The bottom line is that governments are not necessarily to blame for COVID deaths due to historical conditions they only inherited and had no control over. At least Trump, unlike the leftists, did his best to keep illegal immigrants out, for numerous good reasons unrelated to COVID. But above all, when it comes to COVID, it’s only fair to compare apples to apples and not to oranges! As far as Western civilization goes, countries like Australia and New Zealand, even Canada, are anomalies for one reason or another. If we make a fairer comparison with most of Western Europe--with France, the UK, and other nations--it’s plain that Americans have nothing to whine and scream about. In terms of death rates we’re better off than other civilized nations like Belgium, the UK, and Spain, and still pretty comparable with France, Switzerland, Sweden and other places in spite of the problems unique to the U.S. We’ve done all this in spite of not having to tolerate the stringent lockdowns they’ve had to put up with in the UK and other places. So who’s complaining?

COVID is not even the catastrophe that some people make it out to be. Certainly it can’t be remotely compared with the Black Death of the 14th century, Compared with COVID, the Spanish flu pandemic a century ago wiped out six times as many per million of the U.S. population alone. We survived all that anyway. The COVID epidemic in the U.S. has only raised the usual death rate by 10 percent across the board, pretty much proportionately: that’s to say, children least of all, and most among the elderly, who are prone to die anyway. Of course we sympathize with those who have lost loved ones prematurely, but it could be a lot worse.

Naturally the whiny leftist media will pick on any excuse they can find to blame Trump for something, and fabricate “evidence” that our great nation is being woefully misgoverned, often by cherry-picking comparisons with other nations that take no account of how nations as a whole are faring, or of our particular problems that other nations don’t have. As far as I’m concerned, these carping critics can all get lost. We’re doing as well as anyone can expect, and a great deal better than most!

[celee]

BTW the President never said injecting disinfectant would cure the COVID virus. He asked the doctors if a disinfectant could be used as a treatment. There is a difference between asking a question and proclaiming a cure. Any reasonable person watching the press conference understood the President's intention. A big problem is that a lot of the President's detractors do not bother to listen to what the man has to say about anything.

The President went to the Church because terrorists had vandalized the Church earlier. The Church is one of the oldest Churches in American history our founders attended the Church. President Trump was standing in solidarity with them. I was moved to tears. It is heartbreaking to see people destroy your countries history and it was very inspirational to see President Trump stand up for America.

I do not know how much Bible knowledge the President has. However, I doubt any liberal hater does either. I do know God is in favor of anyone who spreads his words. I do know that Joe Biden struggles with basic knowledge concerning American History and he claims to be President.

I am not sure what is wrong with being patriotic and religious or waving the United States Flag. Patriotism is the common bond that keeps Americans united regardless of race, religion, and gender. Without the bond of American citizenship, America would become a tribal nation and ultimately fail. The Christian religion is a religion of love. Flag-waving religious patriots are the very best America has to offer. It was largely flag-waving religious patriots who fought two world wars to protect mankind.

[celee]

I am not sure what the President could have done differently. The Governor of each State ultimately has the say about how their State handles the COVID response. The President stopped travel to and from China at the end of January and travels to and from Europe at the beginning of February. At the time he was widely criticized by the media who were describing the virus as no more dangerous than the flu and the Democrats called his travel bans xenophobic and racist. Democrat leaders were encouraging people to go out and live their lives normally. Nancy Pelosi stood in the middle of China Town and asked people to join her at the festivals. At the beginning of the pandemic, Dr. Fauci informed the public that using a mask was not a good idea and the virus was not air born. A lot of people made mistakes.

People hate the President because he did not order people to use a mask but every time, I heard the President speak on the subject he advised the public to follow the CDC guidelines and social distance and use a mask when social distancing is not possible. The President does not have the authority to order a mask mandate or a nationwide lockdown. The power is with the Governors and even Mayors in the individual States.

The Presidents COVID response was praised by even Democrat Governors, Cuomo, and Newsome. New York had a severe lack of ventilators. President Trump fast-tracked ventilator manufacturing and not one person died because of not being on a ventilator in the United States. The President ordered the military to build three hospitals in New York and sent a medical ship. There was a shortage of masks and the President made a deal with the My Pillow company and others to make masks and now people are provided masks everywhere they go. I have about 100 masks and have not bought one.

Again the President can only do so much. For example, he gave New York everything Cuomo asked for to save lives, hospitals, masks, ventilators, and even a medical ship, However, The President is helpless when the Governor of New York signed an executive order that mandated elderly covid patience be allowed into nursing homes. The death toll in Democrat-controlled states is high. The President went on national television and encouraged people to social distance but Democrat-run cities allowed mass gatherings of people protesting and rioting. When the President offered to assist the States to stop the destruction, the same people who are crying that the President should order people to use a mask, told the President he did not have the authority to act. I wonder how many deaths the Democrat policies have caused.

I think the medical "experts" and media caused death because they did not encourage people to take zinc and vitamin D. Simple suggestions like that could help. I am in favor of hydroxychloroquine. Regardless, at the very least, the "experts" and media should have encouraged people to take general care of themselves and take vitamins D C, and zink.

Dr. Fauci said the President's travel bans saved lives. The Governor of New York and California praised the President for providing the medical aid they needed and for giving them everything they requested quickly. I am wondering how many lives the President saved. I think people forget that at the beginning of the pandemic the "experts" claimed there would be two million American deaths in 2020. It shows poor taste to blame the President for the tragic deaths there is plenty of blame to go around. Because of the President's leadership, a vaccine is now available in record time.

I do not know much about the President's business deals before he became President. I do know that no President or Presidential candidate in my lifetime could withstand the scrutiny the liberals have subjected President Trump to. Joe Biden is corrupt. If you do not believe the evidence, explain to me how a small-town boy from Scranton who has spent 47 years as a public servant gains a fortune of 400 million dollars on a Senator's salary. I bet if the public vigilantes put Kamala Harris under the microscope they would find corruption.

People who hate the President should stop being hypocrites.

[Varqm]

Biggest criminal act in American history.
Other countries were responsible,professional,showed empathy and listened to science/doctors.Vietnam only had 35 Deaths out of 96
million people.South Korea only has 900 Deaths out of 50 million people.Japan only had 3243 dead out of 126 million.Australia 909
deaths out of 25 million population.
We have 341000 Americans dead out of 328 million population.
Instead the traitor,idiot,incompetent,no-empathy clown Trump did the "see I am not wearing a mask and I have the Covid-19 virus"
and "injecting disinfectant could cure corona virus","the Nevada parking lot Covid-19 ward is fake","HHS scientific advisor Paul
Alexander,"let young people have corona,then we will achieve herd immunity.It was his duty/oath to protect American lives.
But the patriotic flag waving,religious republicans do not care and allowed him to be irresponsible and voted for
him..Horrible.FRAUDS.

[Varqm]

Instead of professionally and aggressively announcing and tackling the virus and save lives in February/March,help people and possibly win the election,Trump tried to con and fake it,in June went to a church he does not go to,raise the bible-he can't recite one verse from , and pretended he is a "holy man".And now he lost the election he is trying to con again,overturn the election,the millions of votes, using Governors and Congress.Idiot.Clown.

These are the "frauds" that we should be talking about.He is a con man.
-Trump had 3500 cases filed against him for people who did work on his properties and not paid or half/paid.
-He tried to con thousands of Trump university students,he had to pay $25 million back.
-NO American bank will deal with him because he is a fraud.

[celee]

President Trump beats out Dr. Fauci, Joe Biden, Barack Obama, and the pope for 'most admired man' of 2020 - TheBlaze

President was just voted the most admired man of 2020. It was the first time Obama did not win in 12 years.

[celee]

When a discussion like this is started people should understand not everyone hates the President. So, people should not get angry when others who support the President comment. I do not know why, but carbon emissions are the lowest since 1990. I understand that no matter what President Trump will get no credit from some people. I think Trump haters could be a little magnanimous, their guy won, maybe. I think everyone should take time to reflect on President Trump's legacy. He accomplished a lot of good things and refusing to give the man any credit for anything weakens any argument people have against him and frankly makes people sound horribly bias.

[rjpalmer]

By the way, I can't resist.

Can anyone guess WHY carbon emissions are way down in 2020?

Any guesses? Could it possibly have to do with the economy tanking from a pandemic, and people staying home?

Nah. It's because of brilliant, well-meaning environmental policies .