Dyatlov Pass incident

[Abby Normal]

That's true for MOST so-called "mysteries"- from the Bermuda Triangle to most UFOs to The Mary Celeste to Kaspar Hauser to The Man in he "Iron Mask", etc., etc. They have reasonable explanations that are ignored for some sort of Conspiracy Theory/Government Plot/Supernatural Event explanation 'cause that's what sells.

Bingo!!!!!

[Filby]

I'd like to first introduce myself as a newbie to Casebook, however I've been following the forums for the past couple years. I would like to chime in on the Dyatlov Incident. I've read Dead Mountain as well but was never convinced of the wind vortex/disassociation of reality factor as the direct cause. Recently, I ran across a very good (and convincing) article in National Geographic issue (2021) explaining, as originally suspected by the survival-rescue crew, an avalanche occurred. The team, in fact, misread the grade of the slope as a key danger factor. National Geographic issue claimed that new analysis from the Disney's "Frozen" animation/engineer's ingenious calculus that predicts nearly real snow motion (the calculus is actually written out on his own separate website/article) as to how the avalanche/event happened with so little disruption. And the fact that others removed clothing from the dead bodies in an attempt to survive. Predators probably took the eye/facial organs. I found this much more convincing than the book.

[Abby Normal]

I'd like to first introduce myself as a newbie to Casebook, however I've been following the forums for the past couple years. I would like to chime in on the Dyatlov Incident. I've read Dead Mountain as well but was never convinced of the wind vortex/disassociation of reality factor as the direct cause. Recently, I ran across a very good (and convincing) article in National Geographic issue (2021) explaining, as originally suspected by the survival-rescue crew, an avalanche occurred. The team, in fact, misread the grade of the slope as a key danger factor. National Geographic issue claimed that new analysis from the Disney's "Frozen" animation/engineer's ingenious calculus that predicts nearly real snow motion (the calculus is actually written out on his own separate website/article) as to how the avalanche/event happened with so little disruption. And the fact that others removed clothing from the dead bodies in an attempt to survive. Predators probably took the eye/facial organs. I found this much more convincing than the book.

welcome filby
i would tend to agree with this.

[Filby]

welcome filby
i would tend to agree with this.

Thanks for the welcome!

[Enigma]

Welcome Filby. I had read the same article you mention which presents a plausible explanation.

[Ms Diddles]

I haven’t read of any Mansi that found the tent Ms D? It was a search party of 10 led by Boris Slobtsov who was a student and a friend of Dyatlvov’s (apparently there were no profession searchers in his party) He decided that they’d have a better chance of success if they broke off into pairs and he paired up with a guy called Mikhail Sharavin and those two found the tent.

Im sounding a bit ‘knowledgeable’ here but I’m just quoting from Dead Mountain

Hi Herlock,

The Pavlov book states that a message was received from Ivdel advising that Mansi hunters had discovered the campsite.

This is also ringing a vague bell with me, as I feel like I have read this elsewhere too.

I'm wondering if the hunters on the ground spotted the site and reported back to the authorities, after which the search teams were rerouted to the correct spot based on the Mansi reports, ultimately discovering the site as you state above??

I'm not going to give anything away about the Pavlov book as I know you are yet to read it (unless you've done your crazy osmosis thing and taken it out already??) but it does seem to be extremely thorough on the whole search process.

It's on P65.

See what you make of it when you get to it.....

It appears there are so many conflicting reports about every aspect of the case, so it's extremely hard to discern which sources are accurate.

[Ms Diddles]

I'd like to first introduce myself as a newbie to Casebook, however I've been following the forums for the past couple years. I would like to chime in on the Dyatlov Incident. I've read Dead Mountain as well but was never convinced of the wind vortex/disassociation of reality factor as the direct cause. Recently, I ran across a very good (and convincing) article in National Geographic issue (2021) explaining, as originally suspected by the survival-rescue crew, an avalanche occurred. The team, in fact, misread the grade of the slope as a key danger factor. National Geographic issue claimed that new analysis from the Disney's "Frozen" animation/engineer's ingenious calculus that predicts nearly real snow motion (the calculus is actually written out on his own separate website/article) as to how the avalanche/event happened with so little disruption. And the fact that others removed clothing from the dead bodies in an attempt to survive. Predators probably took the eye/facial organs. I found this much more convincing than the book.

Hi Filby!

Welcome aboard!

I agree that when I became aware of the Puzrin-Gaume findings, I decided that avalanche had to be in the lead by a country mile.

I still think it is the likeliest solution, but I'm trying to digest the contrary information in the study cited by Joshua in #71.

If you've not already seen it, check it out and see what you make of it.

[barnflatwyngarde]

Hi Filby!

Welcome aboard!

I agree that when I became aware of the Puzrin-Gaume findings, I decided that avalanche had to be in the lead by a country mile.

I still think it is the likeliest solution, but I'm trying to digest the contrary information in the study cited by Joshua in #71.

If you've not already seen it, check it out and see what you make of it.

Hey Ms D, my copy of "1079: The Overwhelming force of Dyatlov Pass by Pavlov & Hadjiyska" has just arrived.

It looks pretty comprehensive, and I don't think that anyone could get a better overview of the case than by reading Pavlov's book in conjunction with their website.

https://dyatlovpass.com/

I noticed that Joshua R had referenced this site in #71, so apologies for repeating it in my earlier post. Doh!

[Herlock Sholmes]

Hi Herlock,

The Pavlov book states that a message was received from Ivdel advising that Mansi hunters had discovered the campsite.

This is also ringing a vague bell with me, as I feel like I have read this elsewhere too.

I'm wondering if the hunters on the ground spotted the site and reported back to the authorities, after which the search teams were rerouted to the correct spot based on the Mansi reports, ultimately discovering the site as you state above??

I'm not going to give anything away about the Pavlov book as I know you are yet to read it (unless you've done your crazy osmosis thing and taken it out already??) but it does seem to be extremely thorough on the whole search process.

It's on P65.

See what you make of it when you get to it.....

It appears there are so many conflicting reports about every aspect of the case, so it's extremely hard to discern which sources are accurate.

Hi Ms D,

It never ceases to surprise me how often we get differing versions of events. You would have thought that this part would have been straightforward. From what I’ve read about the Pavlov book it does sound thorough so it’s probably correct. I just checked the Anderson book and she just says that the camp site was found by ‘one of the search teams,’ with no more detail that that.

You were right I missed this part in Dead Mountain:

“A search by helicopter over the Auspiya River is quick to pick up ski tracks along the bank. Groups on the ground, meanwhile, follow up on the discovery of Mansi hunters that ski tracks and evidence of camping were spotted 55 miles from the Mansi village of Suyevatpaul. In response to the latter, a group headed by the Mansi team’s Stepan Kurikov, accompanied by a radio operator, sets out in the direction of the ski path. In anticipation of finding the hikers at the end of these tracks, they equip themselves with a first aid kit and food.”

“By the next day, however, there is still no immediate sign of the hikers. One of the groups, headed by UPI student Boris Slobtsov, is searching the Lozva River valley when a message drops to them from overhead. Aerial note-dropping is a common form of communication, particularly in remote areas where radio transmission is difficult or impossible.”

“The note dropped to Boris Slobtsov on February 25 instructs the party to alter its route and begin searching along a smaller adjacent river, the Auspiya, where ski tracks were recently spotted.”

“At some point in the afternoon, before they are able to reach the crest of the hill, Sharavin sees something that makes his pulse quicken. “About seventy meters to our left,” Sharavin remembered later, “I noticed a black spot that was actually part of a tent.” Sharavin alerts Slobtsov, and the young men hurry toward the spot as quickly as the wind and deep snow will allow them.”

[Herlock Sholmes]

Hey Ms D, my copy of "1079: The Overwhelming force of Dyatlov Pass by Pavlov & Hadjiyska" has just arrived.

It looks pretty comprehensive, and I don't think that anyone could get a better overview of the case than by reading Pavlov's book in conjunction with their website.

https://dyatlovpass.com/

I noticed that Joshua R had referenced this site in #71, so apologies for repeating it in my earlier post. Doh!

Looks like I’m last to receive my copy. It’s a conspiracy.

[Herlock Sholmes]

I'd like to first introduce myself as a newbie to Casebook, however I've been following the forums for the past couple years. I would like to chime in on the Dyatlov Incident. I've read Dead Mountain as well but was never convinced of the wind vortex/disassociation of reality factor as the direct cause. Recently, I ran across a very good (and convincing) article in National Geographic issue (2021) explaining, as originally suspected by the survival-rescue crew, an avalanche occurred. The team, in fact, misread the grade of the slope as a key danger factor. National Geographic issue claimed that new analysis from the Disney's "Frozen" animation/engineer's ingenious calculus that predicts nearly real snow motion (the calculus is actually written out on his own separate website/article) as to how the avalanche/event happened with so little disruption. And the fact that others removed clothing from the dead bodies in an attempt to survive. Predators probably took the eye/facial organs. I found this much more convincing than the book.

Welcome Filby.

[Ms Diddles]

Hey Ms D, my copy of "1079: The Overwhelming force of Dyatlov Pass by Pavlov & Hadjiyska" has just arrived.

It looks pretty comprehensive, and I don't think that anyone could get a better overview of the case than by reading Pavlov's book in conjunction with their website.

https://dyatlovpass.com/

I noticed that Joshua R had referenced this site in #71, so apologies for repeating it in my earlier post. Doh!

Brilliant, Barn!

I will look forward to hearing your thoughts when you have finished it.

I'm around a third of the way through.

There were elements of the introduction that concerned me a bit, but now I'm into the main part of the book, I think it was just slightly clumsy translation.

The actual book reads much better.

There are some details which I was previously unaware of, and I still don't know where the authors are going with it.

Interesting!

I'm not going to check out the website until I've finished the book, then I'll have a good look at it.

Enjoy!

[Ms Diddles]

Looks like I’m last to receive my copy. It’s a conspiracy.

I heard a menk ate your Amazon driver on purpose!!!

[Herlock Sholmes]

I heard a menk ate your Amazon driver on purpose!!!

I’ve heard stranger theories on here

[Ms Diddles]

I’ve heard stranger theories on here

Ha! Good point, well made!