On The Trail Of The Forgers

[Graham]

John:

What Graham meant, he has to explain to us himself.

Stephen is not Caroline who has secret squirrels investigations, since he has never boasted he has, unlike her side kick Keith Skinner.

I think that Stephen meant to say what Keith Skinner has not revealed to us about the Battlecrease evidence.

-Maria

John has described in his post precisely what I meant.

Graham

[Victoria]

"Skinner Tactic"

If the 'secret evidence' he refers to as
"what I know and hasn't been said here"
.. .. is going to be very soon revealed in his book,
I would not class that as a "Skinner Tactic", as we
will not be waiting a year ... or never.

And if I was recommending a book or film to you, I would
not want to spoil it here, by giving you all the juicy details ..
just a bit of the trail ..
or like the 'trailer' for the film.
So my advice for Steve is, say nothing, keep it for the book,
I want to read something that has not been told here.

[Omlor]

Hi Maria,

In a technical sense, you are right I suppose. If Steve does indeed have material that he has not shared here yet, as he suggests, at least he has not announced to everyone what, specifically, that secret material or knowledge allows him to conclude without then putting it forward to support such a claim or even offering an explanation for why he won't make it public. So he hasn't really Skinnerized it just yet.

We'll have to see how he responds to Graham's questions, I suppose.

All the best,

--John

[Maria]

John:

Skinniarized... I LIKE that !

That is a clever new term. It made me laugh It could also mean... being skinny with the truth.

I wonder if Keith Skinner knows that his name will be synonimous with being very skinny with the truth !

-Maria

[Steve Powell]

Skinneritis

Graham said:

"If you've got never-before published information regarding the Diary and don't share it with us, then quite rightly you'll be accused of adopting the Skinner Tactic that you and others so strongly condemn.
Spill the beans, mate!!"

I came here to the casebook to tell you
all about what I know concerning the diary
and have been doing so all along.
I wanted us all to stand on equal footage
and discuss the facets together and come
to a conclusion of what should be done about the hoax.
Well, believe it or not, all of you have helped me.
It began to dawn on me that I needed to put
it all down in a book, as there was too
much to tell and I wanted you to know it all.
For those of you that have followed the trail with me,
I shall continue to tell you all I know.
But, I am now under contract to a publisher and cannot
at the moment tell you the rest of the story until the book comes out.
The day it is released, I shall post the other information.
I'm sure you can understand that.
In the meantime, why don't you question how
Feldman put it all together?

regards,
Steve Powell
fri6june2008

[plang]

Oh yes, it is easy to see the diary supporters. Yet as I said before, none of you have the guts to come out and say it in a straight forward fashion.
Cowards!!!
Plang

[Graham]

Oh yes, it is easy to see the diary supporters. Yet as I said before, none of you have the guts to come out and say it in a straight forward fashion.
Cowards!!!
Plang

So who exactly are the 'Diary Supporters', Plang?

Cheers,

Graham

[cappuccina]

Hi Graham...Here are the...

...Diary Supporters...

http://www.herniarelievers.com/?gclid=CLKh1Pf_4JMCFQZinAod_3lhWA

Here is the Head Diary Supporter:

http://www.herniarelievers.com/product.php?productid=16156&cat=254&page=1

Warning, not for the faint of heart or small children!

[plang]

Just a wild guess, Graham and caps., for starters.

[Steve Powell]

More Diary Supporters

You forgot to mention these two Plang.

[detective abberline]

The Diary

Hi all. I'm rapt reading these posts. I'm glad there are others out there like me who think the diary is ****.

[Graham]

Just a wild guess, Graham and caps., for starters.

Wrong. I've never supported Maybrick as JtR on these boards, because he wasn't, and neither have I ever suggested that he wrote the Diary. I still think that there is very, very faint chance that the Diary is old, however. My real interest, and I suspect that of the dwindling number of posters to this thread, is in who wrote the friggin' thing and when and why. I'd love to know.

Graham

[detective abberline]

Plang,

Not really sure why La Cornwell should be seen as an authority on the Diary, but never mind.

Nope, never read her book due to the impossibility of Sickert being JtR. And if her Sickert book is anything like her fictional works, then I never do want to read it. You did well to make a quarter when you sold your copy.

Graham

Good post I agree 100%

[caz]

Hello Caz,

Maybe you missed my post from yesterday .. that only required some
small answer or explanation .. I felt ignored, or at least left out.

I thought possibly that you had given an explanation maybe before,
say on the crashed thread and I may have missed it, and you were sick of repeating yourself.
But probably not, as I see from John's persistant questioning and Maria's
above words.

There should be no problem answering, the best way you can, it should show that you have nothing to hide ..
and it is a chance to prove Maria's words
wrong .. that should be tempting.

~Victoria

Sorry, Victoria, but could you remind me what information you were expecting from me? I don't really understand your request. I have no idea who could have created the diary or why, so I can't help you there. And as I have said on numerous occasions, I am not responsible for what Keith says or doesn’t say about the investigation, and am under no obligation to anyone to expand on what he said.

Thanks.

Skinner is not stupid, we all know that.
Yet he seems determined to hold faith with Feldman.
When I asked Caroline by PM to ask Skinner if he would
contact me about some interesting information
that I had regarding the matter of the diary,
she came back to me and said that he didn't mind if I
told all of the 'troopers' whatever I knew.
In other words 'bugger off'.
Don't you think Keith Skinner would like to hear
a little bit more of what I know that hasn't been said here?
You bet he does, but he can't take that path,
as the tactic of the protectors of the diary
is to try and discredit me whenever they can.
After all, my story is so fantastic it just couldn't be true.
Could it?
What has Skinner got to lose if the truth about Feldman
and the hoaxing of the diary ever comes out from the mud?
Maybe a lot.

Yes, Steve. We do know that Keith is not stupid. That's presumably why John is now making it his mission in life to sell a new policy from Omlor Enterprises, which endows Keith's words on the subject with the same value as the fantasies concerning Feldy. It's in the small print that he is paying no compliments to either of you here, so buyer beware (especially if your name is Victoria or Maria).

You interpret Keith's willingness for you to spill whatever beans you have in public as an attempt to discredit you. I call it giving you his blessing to do the job all by yourself.

What Keith said was not: 'bugger off, I have a lot to lose if you spill the beans about Feldy hoaxing the diary'; more like: 'whatever you have to say to me on the subject can be said in front of everyone'.

If this is an example of the way you interpret what people say, then I'm beginning to see how you got from your encounter with Anne, when you thought she was merely telling you about a diary belonging to her father, to a belief that it was actually Steve Park, telling you every last detail about a criminal conspiracy he was engaged in with Paul Feldman to hoax the same diary. There was certainly nothing for the hoaxers to fear from 'careless talk' while you were around to act as interpreter.

Caz:

You don´t know who made the hoax either.

So for you to say that Feldman did not do it... its rather strange to say the least.

Unless of course, you know who faked it. So far... only a few people including yourself have profited financially from the hoax.

I have never made a dime on it, not even when Peter and I were offered money on the table if we could find " coincidences " to tie the watch to the diary.

-Maria

Maria,

It is not up to me to prove Feldy didn't go to Australia and didn't have a hand in creating the diary. Maybe you actually believe that someone somewhere knows he did both, and that he managed to pull the wool over all the eyes (on both sides of the fence) that were there to witness his attempts to make sense of this document. But it's rather strange to say the least to see how willing you are to believe the impossible, when that's what you usually accuse others of doing.

This financial bee you have in your bonnet: would you now be wagging your much-exercised finger of disapproval at Peter if he had accepted a publisher's advance to write a diary-related book which could have stimulated even more interest instead of putting an end to it? Will you wag the finger at Steve Powell if he does the same?

Did you wag the finger at Melvin for making money from the diary by writing about it in the appendices of The True Face, while claiming that a hospital patient was one of the most cold-bloodied killers in recent history? And don't start bleating about Melvin giving his royalties to charity, because you don't have the first clue about what I would or would not do with all the lovely lolly you assume I have made from Ripper Diary, which, in case you didn’t know, made no claims to have closed any cases or identified any murderers - or any hoaxers for that matter.

Love,

Caz
X

[Omlor]

Caroline, who apparently can't help mentioning me in this discussion even when she's not addressing me or anything I have written to her, writes,

"That's presumably why John is now making it his mission in life..."

Anyone here counted the number of recent posts by me?

Living a life elsewhere,

--John