On The Trail Of The Forgers

[Victoria]

orders for the bar ..

"May I suggest that you two, sit down together and have a pint on me"

For Caroline .. it may possibly be time for her weekly glass of shandy,
otherwise it may just be a quick soda and lime.

For Maria .. I know she likes the occasional Guinness, but she usually
has it with a meal.

I will gladly pay for the pub meals, it will make more time for them to
linger and become friends. Caroline may even share some more of her
jokes. Then John may even pop in for the fun.

[plang]

Things are pretty boring for a Friday. No inspiration to get me started.
See ya.

[Victoria]

You have slept through Friday Plang .. and
missed all the 'inspiration' .. it was an inspirational day.
We are up to Saturday .. evening for that matter,
way ahead of you .. ..

[Maria]

Victoria:

I appreciate your efforts in trying to make friends between Caroline and myself.

Unfortunatelly, I do have scruples, I would only make friends with people who are trustworthy and honest. That is basic for any friendship I might entertain. Dishonest and cheating people do not interest me in the least.

There is a saying in Spanish: Dime con quien andas y te diré quien eres.

It means: Tell me with who your friends are... and I will tell you who you are.

-Maria

[Maria]

Thank you for answering Maria, hope your visits abroad went fine?I can't really comment on your charges against Keith Skinner and Caroline Morris. I have been doing a rough and tumble web search regarding the Marina Daglish event and sadly found no list of organizers and participating experts.Furthermore, if it really was a fake charity event, people who were involved in it may not have been involved in the scam. They may have participated on the notion that th







ey were doing charitable work.A similar thing happened with a charity condert in my home town where the manager went running with the evening's proceeds.Did you contact Marina Daglish before or after the event? Just asking because I'm
not sure about the sequence of events. Did the participants know it was not a charity event?As for the Kids on Wheels event: I see no particular fault in the event as it basically showed both sides of the Maybrick discussion with people arguing for and against him being the Ripper. While I don't belief in Maybrick being the Ripper, people might just be interested in the controversy, regardless of the factual basis and to target that particular audience is no crime at all.I hope I didn't write to much gibberish, I'm on medication because I managed to give myself a haematoma the size of Alaska yesterday. You shouldn't lug around heavy hifi equipment if you are already tired and have to use public transports.

Hello JSchmidt:

Oh dear... I´m sorry to hear about the haematoma the size of Alaska ! Yes, you must be careful with heavy things, as you do not want to get an hernia lifting heavy things either !

Yes, we did have a fruitful trip, business wise, conmmuting from Ireland to Madrid and then taking Iberia from Madrid to Dublin was full of turbulence but as we had left the car at Dublin airport we had to return there, when we landed the winds were rather fierce on touching down and then once in our car, the ferry crossing from Ireland to Wales was cancelled due to the wind, so we were directed to Dun Leahri ( another port ) to catch a later ferry, a crossing which was rather rough but all was well, so we still came home at a reasonable time.

Anyway, about what you asked me when did I contacted the charity.* I telephoned the charity once it was announced on Casebook which charities were supposedly going to benefit from the Liverpool event. Naturally, I wanted to check if this was true.

The first charity ( kids on wheels ) confirmed that they had been contacted and that they had agreed to participate and they would be present at the event, that was fine.

But on the second charity, that was not the case, since the Marina D´alglish charity had not even heard of the event ! let alone agreed to it. The lady, Marina D´alglish demanded to know from me, where did I hear this and who had dared to use her name without her authorisation.

As I mentioned before, the protocols for using the name of a charity genuinely are:

1.) You approach the charity

2.) You get their permission and discuss how much of the proceeds you plan to give to the charity.
Normally, a representative of the charity is present at the event.

3.) Once you have permission from the charity and a representative of the
Charity will be there, THEN YOU PUBLISH IT TO THE WORLD.

Otherwise, anyone can have an event or a box saying that the money is going to charity when in fact its not.

The money was not entirely for charity as it purported on their leaflet, since the speakers got paid.

When it is a genuine charity event, the speakers donate their time and do not charge for their lecture. This is not the way it happened here.

It did not show both sides of the debate because most of the speakers were pro-diary, like Keith Skinner, Caroline Morris, Rubinstein, and the only one person was a dissenter as far as I can recall.

Interestingly... Keith Skinner at the event said that he had incontrivertible evidence that if he showed it in a court of law, it could convince a jury that the diary came from Battlecrease ( the house were Maybrick lived ) but when John Omlor pressed him to present this evidence... nothing. Keith did not present his so called evidence. It is exactly a year now since this event happenend and you know what ? He has still not presented his " evidence "

-Maria

[Maria]

Thank you for answering Maria, hope your visits abroad went fine?
I can't really comment on your charges against Keith Skinner and Caroline Morris. I have been doing a rough and tumble web search regarding the Marina Daglish event and sadly found no list of organizers and participating experts.
Furthermore, if it really was a fake charity event, people who were involved in it may not have been involved in the scam. They may have participated on the notion that they were doing charitable work.
A similar thing happened with a charity condert in my home town where the manager went running with the evening's proceeds.
Did you contact Marina Daglish before or after the event? Just asking because I'm not sure about the sequence of events. Did the participants know it was not a charity event?

I hope I didn't write to much gibberish, I'm on medication because I managed to give myself a haematoma the size of Alaska yesterday. You shouldn't lug around heavy hifi equipment if you are already tired and have to use public transports.

JSchmidt:

Further more... the announcement HAD BEEN PRINTED in Casebook MONTHS BEFORE. saying that this was a charitable event, MONTHS before I contacted the Marina D´alglish charity who did not EVEN KNOW this event was taking place, and their name used in this shameful way.

Marina D´alglish herself asked them to remove her name from their leaflets.

I´m sorry to hear that a similar scam happened in your hometown. It is very common here in Britain, specially in the summer time, so people have to beware. I usually contact the charities mentioned in a leaflet to see if its true. If it isn´t... then I contact the Charity commission who are encharged to oversee that registered charities are not used by unscrupulous people to make money for themselves.

The Maybrick Diary is listed in a book of great deceptions called Fakes & Forgeries by Brian Innes, so the Maybrick Diary its a known hoax. In this book, the Maybrick Diaries deception is sandwiched between the Hitler Diaries deception and the Vinland Map.

The event was vogus... it would have been akin to making an event about The Hitler Diaries... everyone knows The Hitler Diaries is a hoax.

As to the reputation of the people who participated in this event...is tainted
since as far as I recalled, the event made 10,000 pounds and the speakers got 8,000 pounds between them so the charity only got 2,000. For a fund-raising event, which was billed as a charitable venture... really not much was given to the charity.

-Maria

[plang]

Victoria, Victoria, you mean 8 hrs. ahead right? No, that's the UK.
What is the time difference down under from B.C.? Do you have the time down there?

[Victoria]

Plang,

The time here, right now is 9.52am Monday, 2nd June.
U.K. time, right now is 11.52pm Sunday, 1st June.
British Columbia, right now, (not sure if you are on
daylight saving) should be 4.52pm Sunday, 1st June.

As you can see Plang, we may be 'downunder' ...
but we have the big advantage of being able to see into
your future.
You will always be behind, and we shall lead.

ps. maybe U.K. is on daylight saving, not sure.
~Victoria

[Victoria]

Hello Maria,

I was only following on from Steve's efforts at peace making.
Your spanish quote .. well, looks beautiful in spanish, and the
translation into english is much nicer, than the only one similar
that comes to mind now ..
'A man is known by the company he keeps'
So obviously true, when you think about it or just look around,
'Like attracts like'

Your last posts re the charity, are very clear this time and paint
a good picture, of the events as you saw them.
I do find it hard to see though, that Caz is deliberately dishonest
or untrustworthy.
People (as we know) can do all sorts of things, thinking they are acting honestly ..
the problem being, rarely do we see things as they really are,
everything is coloured by our own ideas, hence our actions.
(I am speaking generally here .. not refering to Caroline or anyone else)

Maria, is there any reason that we know of, for Keith to not release
this 'evidence'?

~Victoria

[plang]

Victoria,Victoria, In artificial time, you are way ahead.
In past time, you live in the land of convicts.

[Victoria]

Yes Plang,

you've got it! .. Artificial time .. that's all it is.
Past, future .. do not really exist,
only this precious, present moment .. Now.

enjoy ..
Victoria

[caz]

Morning Cowboys and Cowgirls,

If one really can judge someone by the company they keep, then the moment Maria calls me "friend" is the moment I know I'm doing something hideously wrong. Until then, Maria's misinformation wagon can roll on with no danger to anyone but herself and the poor sods she chooses to hitch up with. They can instantly be recognised by the sign they carry:

When it is a genuine charity event, the speakers donate their time and do not charge for their lecture. This is not the way it happened here.

It did not show both sides of the debate because most of the speakers were pro-diary, like Keith Skinner, Caroline Morris, Rubinstein, and the only one person was a dissenter as far as I can recall.

As far as you can recall, Maria??? You were not even there and you keep making up lies about me. You accuse me here of:

1) being 'pro-diary' (not swallowing all the crap I've had to read from modern hoax conspiracy theorists does not make me 'pro-diary')

2) speaking at the trial (I would sooner have stuck rusty pins in my eyes)

3) charging for it (again, I would sooner stick rusty pins in my eyes than be paid for delivering a public lecture)

Now get your facts sorted out and stop these nasty vicious lies. They can only make you look ten times worse than the very people you seek to malign.

Caz

[Maria]

Caz:

I do remember when the details of this event were published at Casebook.

It was a public announcement. The tickets were selling for 43 pounds and it purported to be for charity.

The advert was a bogus one when it claimed it was raising funds for a charity when one of the charities denied having been contacted to be supposedly benefiting.

That is all true. I would say.... you are the liar.

-Maria

[caz]

Read my post again, Maria.

I called you a liar for three very specific claims you made about me, in relation to an event which you did not even attend.

If you are saying that I did speak at the event as a pro-diarist and was paid for doing so, then you are the liar, not me. And you are a very stupid one, since everyone who did attend now knows you tell stupid lies about people, even if they only suspected as much before.

Get a grip, woman, and think of how your own lack of credibility rubs off on the poor sods you choose to side with.

Caz

[Omlor]

Since not very much of any importance seems to be happening around here these days, I thought I'd offer the following very intelligent and pertinent question. I came across it written within a different discussion about a different Ripper suspect on a different website.

I thought it was wise.

So I'll just quote it as it appeared there.

"So why say anything, Sam, if you are not prepared to say it all?"

It's a good question, even for people who are not named Sam.

--John